LAGgin' it up in the $109s

Jman28 · #1 09-13-2005, 07:45 AM

No reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 (t735)
MP2 (t1760)
CO (t1010)
Button (t890)
SB (t990)
Hero (t2610)
UTG (t1045)
UTG+1 (t960)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t75) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t70, MP2 calls t70.

Turn: (t215) J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t200, MP2 calls t200.

River: (t615) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t615, Hero calls t615.

Final Pot: t1845

Talk to me.

Degen · #2 09-13-2005, 07:50 AM

i don't like the second shell, tho maybe this is something i need in my arsenal...does this work often for you?

w/out reads, i don't think you can make that river call either, what is he calling with?

Jman28 · #3 09-13-2005, 07:56 AM

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i don't like the second shell, tho maybe this is something i need in my arsenal...does this work often for you?

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I'm just starting to experiment with it. I'll let you know.

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w/out reads, i don't think you can make that river call either, what is he calling with?

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A draw, I hope.

What is he not raising the flop or turn with?

MegaBet · #4 09-13-2005, 08:00 AM

hmmmm...the jury's out on that one.

Degen · #5 09-13-2005, 08:13 AM

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What is he not raising the flop or turn with?

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good point

what about betting smaller on the flop/turn? like 1/2-2/3 pot? so if you're called its cheaper...

unless you are getting really creative and trying to get him to call big bets so you have more to steal later hehe

the 109's are fun aren't they?

Jman28 · #6 09-13-2005, 08:19 AM

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what about betting smaller on the flop/turn? like 1/2-2/3 pot? so if you're called its cheaper...

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On the flop, I think it's not a bad idea.

On the turn, I think he's most likely on a draw, so I bet pot size so that he doesn't have the odds to call. (although he really isn't drawing at all)

I really expected my turn bet to take down the pot.

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unless you are getting really creative and trying to get him to call big bets so you have more to steal later hehe

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Maybe in a couple months.

schwza · #7 09-13-2005, 10:27 AM

i really like this line. preflop.

durron597 · #8 09-13-2005, 10:36 AM

Your flop lead means nothing. If I was going to take a shot here I would checkraise the flop.

On the river you are no good he has a set.

Jman28 · #9 09-13-2005, 10:45 AM

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i really like this line. preflop.

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What specifically don't you like and why?

schwza · #10 09-13-2005, 10:57 AM

flop: you're not going to fold out any pocket pairs. a7 and below has a double-gutter or better, so they're not going anywhere. bigger Ax might raise, call, or fold. (the possibility that a hand like AT might call is a good reason to bet the turn). flush draws are likely sticking around. i don't think you're winning the pot on the flop enough, so you're committing yourself to firing again on the turn, which means you're committing a lot of chips on a hand where you have no outs you're happy with.

on the river, my experience (disclaimer: at the 33's) is that people bluff missed draws less often than i expect them too. maybe 109's are different.

interesting hand, just because it made me think about a line that is not in my bag of tricks.