fairly pricey AK whiff

[bluefeet]

very early, no pertinent notes.

25+2 turbo
Seat 1: (840 in chips)
Seat 2: (2490 in chips)
<font color="blue">bluefeet (1470 in chips)</font>
Seat 4: (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: (1380 in chips)
Seat 6: (1460 in chips)
Seat 7: (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: (1440 in chips)
Seat 9: (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: posts small blind 10
Seat 6: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluefeet [Kc Ah]
3 folds
Seat 1: calls 20
Seat 2: calls 20
bluefeet: raises 80 to 100
1 fold
Seat 5: calls 90
3 folds
*** FLOP *** [Qd Ts 4d]
Seat 5: checks
bluefeet: bets 120
Seat 5: calls 120
*** TURN *** [Qd Ts 4d] [Kd]
Seat 5: checks
bluefeet: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qd Ts 4d Kd] [9s]
Seat 5: bets 200
bluefeet: calls 200

Meh....dunno. Thought about NOT betting the flop - decided to w/ the flush on board...not enough i guess. Third diamond coming as a "K" - also brought the flush+straight to the table. River call kinda sucked. But considering my weak flop &amp; turn...the price was almost right to look-up a frisky mid-PP or missed Ace, looking to pick up the pot.

I guess if I had one specific question - what about the flop bet? Is the 2flush a more convincing arguement for the bet or check when you whiff after a PF raise?

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[Allinlife]

how are you blue?

standard play.

Flop bet looks fine, you've got outs and he might fold.

I think you have to bet this turn.

The River call, I agree with, since you checkd the turn. However if he has you, he may have check raised a turn bet (and you may have gotten out cheaper?). Just my 2 cents.

[Jason Strasser]

Bet the turn check behind or value bet the river. So many hands will call the turn that are drawing, and you'll have a better idea where you stand in the hand.

-Jason

[Shilly]

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Bet the turn check behind or value bet the river. So many hands will call the turn that are drawing, and you'll have a better idea where you stand in the hand.

-Jason

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Are you saying that hands that are not drawing are going to let you know that you're behind here (on the turn)?

[tigerite]

I would bet the turn. Flop I don't think it matters that much if you check or bet, either line works. Just be careful as against clever players, a bet here leaves you open to a check-raise from a draw, and you can fold the best hand.

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I guess if I had one specific question - what about the flop bet?

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What about the turn bet? I seriously don't understand the check. A small bet of 200 or so here let's you know where you're at. Checking there a) doesn't charge draws and b) basically forces you to call a river bet.