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Old 09-07-2005, 10:59 PM
kyro kyro is offline
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Default botching a hand after a decent flop

Villain in this hand isn't anything special. A little too loose PF and weak postflop. (Even weaker than me which is shocking.)

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SB ($1641.31)
BB ($382.97)
UTG ($440.05)
MP ($162.48)
Hero ($309.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $6.

Flop: ($19) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($19) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20.

River: ($59) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $59

With villain being weak/not tricky, I think a bet on the river after he checks is the best line. Do we agree?
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Old 09-07-2005, 11:14 PM
Voltron87 Voltron87 is offline
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Default Re: botching a hand after a decent flop

i play it similarly. river check is fine, what is calling a bet here that you beat?
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Old 09-07-2005, 11:15 PM
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Default Re: botching a hand after a decent flop

Are you regularly checking behind on the flop, whether you hit or not, after you raise pre-flop?
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Old 09-07-2005, 11:52 PM
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Default Re: botching a hand after a decent flop

I like the check behind on the river. Except for a weaker queen, what calls a river bet? I think this is a good example of controlling the size of the pot with TPGK and a pretty sketchy board. NH, IMO.

Don't be so hard on yourself!
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Old 09-08-2005, 12:43 AM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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Default Re: botching a hand after a decent flop

I dont like this one. Bet the flop. You raised preflop then you hit. Check behind on the turn. If he checks again on the river, bet 1/3-1/2 pot. If he bets into you call. MOst likely he had nothing at all and was trying to steal. As for the river, you definately shoulda bet behind him when he bet, don't give him a free showdown just cuz u are scared you are beat, or you will lose ALOT of value in the long run.
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Old 09-08-2005, 12:44 AM
TheRegulat0r TheRegulat0r is offline
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Default Re: botching a hand after a decent flop

I generally bet that flop.

Given your check, I like the rest of it.
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Old 09-08-2005, 01:31 AM
Slappz Slappz is offline
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Default Re: botching a hand after a decent flop

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I dont like this one. Bet the flop. You raised preflop then you hit. Check behind on the turn. If he checks again on the river, bet 1/3-1/2 pot. If he bets into you call. MOst likely he had nothing at all and was trying to steal. As for the river, you definately shoulda bet behind him when he bet, don't give him a free showdown just cuz u are scared you are beat, or you will lose ALOT of value in the long run.

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This line is much better.
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Old 09-08-2005, 10:05 AM
kyro kyro is offline
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Default Re: botching a hand after a decent flop

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Are you regularly checking behind on the flop, whether you hit or not, after you raise pre-flop?

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On that specific flop, when few turn cards scare me, yes. The 9 was actually one of the cards I didn't want to see.

To voltron, I think a weak Q or a 9 calls a river bet from me quite often.
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