A JJ hand

Roland32 · #1 09-07-2005, 12:53 PM

Did I play this correctly?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter

SB (t2235)
BB (t815)
Hero (t3000)
MP1 (t1320)
MP2 (t1180)
CO (t2520)
Button (t2430)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t200, 3 folds, Button raises to t550, 2 folds, Hero calls t350.

Flop: (t1175) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t250, Hero raises to t800, Button raises to t1880, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t3855

#2 09-07-2005, 03:04 PM

Don't you hate that?

First of all, you correctly realized you were beaten and folded. You have to be all but certain that the villian has one of 5 hands - AA,KK,QQ,TT, or AKspades and you are behind all 5.

While I often advocate the flop check-raise to define your hand, I think in this case it is just a more expensive version of leading out and folding to a raise which would be my play.

It is tough to lay down an over-pair but I take a preflop re-raise of an UTG raise VERY seriously. I may be a bit on the conservative end but my own range for that move is really only AA,KK and maybe QQ.

The question is whether it is +EV to lay down your jacks to the re-raise preflop. This decision clearly depends on your read of your opponent and the situation. Here, not knowing the villian's style, he is not desperately short-stacked, he is in position and if he is at all perceptive, he realizes your raise was from UTG. you are getting almost 2.5:1 pot odds but in my estimation you are a 4.5:1 underdog about 75-80% of the time, coinflip about 10-15% and way ahead to a bluff 5-10%.

durron597 · #3 09-07-2005, 03:56 PM

I think you can save 300 chips here by leading the flop for 500 and folding to a raise.

wiggs73 · #4 09-07-2005, 04:00 PM

This is why I hate JJ with a passion. I'd lead the flop for 3/4 of the pot or so and back off if I got any action on that bet.

bigt439 · #5 09-07-2005, 04:10 PM

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I think you can save 300 chips here by leading the flop for 500 and folding to a raise.

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That's what I was thinking. It will usually be more than that when the button makes a reasonable sized bet too.

#6 09-07-2005, 05:12 PM

It seems we all agree on the flop play. what about my point on laying down JJ to the preflop reraise? Sometimes weak-tight is +EV.

playtitleist · #7 09-07-2005, 06:24 PM

Like everyone else, I hate JJ.

My perspective is from the $11s and $22s.

In this case I would definitely call the raise. The implied odds are really quite significant here. When you hit your hand the pay off is likely to put you ITM about 100% of the time. When you miss you are still in very good chip position. I play it for set value. Planning a check-raise/fold on the flop.

#8 09-07-2005, 06:27 PM

I think you lay it down to the preflop re-raise. You could just limp with them also as it gives you a cheap way to get out of the hand if re-raised or if the flop sucks.