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Old 09-06-2005, 03:16 AM
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Default Head\'s up strategy. Too strong?

Party 10+1 I think I might have gone in too hot on this hand. I know I got lucky on this hand, but what do you think of the PF push?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (2 handed) converter

Hero (t6423)
Button (t1577)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Button calls t50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t6423 (All-In)</font>, Button calls t1477 (All-In).

Flop: (t8000) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t8000) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t8000) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t8000

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qd 4s (straight, six high).
Button has Ts As (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins t8000. </font>
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Old 09-06-2005, 03:52 AM
iggy iggy is offline
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Default Re: Head\'s up strategy. Too strong?

I think you're already in a huge lead and the blinds are still small enough that you can pick a spot when you'll be a much biger favorite.

When the blinds are 200/400 and 250/500 I look for any better than average hand to push. When he still has 15bb I like keeping the pot small and not letting him double through while trying choke him out.
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Old 09-06-2005, 06:07 AM
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Default Re: Head\'s up strategy. Too strong?

For me your all-in move here is a bad play, because of the following ideas:
- your hand is only Top 60% HU against any cards
- I guess he will only call you with TOP 20-30% hands
- without any reads (??) his calling can be anything from AA to 23o (of course with reads also)
- the times you win because he folds you win only 100 chips (70% of the time), the times you win with the worse hand you win about 1500 (and first price - 10%), the times you loose it is about the same but you end up with small chip lead 5000/3000 and still smal blinds (20%).
7*100 + 1* 1500 = 2.200
2*1.500 = 3.000.

So if necessary I would at least push this 1 time out of 20 to mix up my play if he calls like every hand (what is correct if you raise/push rarely). Still I prefer checking here 15 times out of 20 and 4/5 times out of 20 raise to 300-400.

But before applying to those ideas wait for the comments from the non-donkish players - I am just suffering around the 22-55 STTs
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Old 09-06-2005, 08:54 AM
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Default Re: Head\'s up strategy. Too strong?

1. Stacks are too deep to push here.
2. Even when stacks are not too deep, it is ok to take a free flop.
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Old 09-06-2005, 09:41 AM
Wes ManTooth Wes ManTooth is offline
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Default Re: Head\'s up strategy. Too strong?

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Party 10+1 I think I might have gone in too hot on this hand. I know I got lucky on this hand, but what do you think of the PF push?


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yes you got lucky and and the PF push is horrible
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Old 09-06-2005, 09:47 AM
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Default Re: Head\'s up strategy. Too strong?

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1. Stacks are too deep to push here.
2. Even when stacks are not too deep, it is ok to take a free flop.

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Most important is #1. It's a pretty safe rule that you should never flat push when you or your opponent have more than 10x BB.
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Old 09-06-2005, 10:04 AM
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Default Re: Head\'s up strategy. Too strong?

Ok. The way i feel is this.

Im shocked ur asking me if this is a good push. its horrible in my eyes. for the following reasons

1) I hate getting all the chips in teh pot without a big lead.

2) why give him a chance to double up for no good reason with such a shitty hand. - all it takes is 2 all ins for him to take the chip lead. Just cuase u have queen high (even if it is the best starting hand doesnt mean in any way that u will win)

3) If u just raise 3-4x bb and he pushes. then u can easily fold and probably knwo ur whoops already. or if he just calls then it still gives him a chance to fold the hand with a flop like that (mainly becuase u got lucky there BUT most of the time he is gonna win) u see?

those are my reasons.
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Old 09-06-2005, 10:05 AM
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Default Re: Head\'s up strategy. Too strong?

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I think you're already in a huge lead and the blinds are still small enough that you can pick a spot when you'll be a much biger favorite.

When the blinds are 200/400 and 250/500 I look for any better than average hand to push. When he still has 15bb I like keeping the pot small and not letting him double through while trying choke him out.

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Old 09-06-2005, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: Head\'s up strategy. Too strong?

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Most important is #1. It's a pretty safe rule that you should never flat push when you and your opponent have more than 10x BB.

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FYP

At a higher blind level, though (I'd say easily as low as 150/300, and 100/200 is debatable), this is an insta-push.
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