KTs liking itself to much?

oreogod · #1 09-05-2005, 12:57 AM

PFR here is way LAGGY preflop only, but backs down postflop if played back at. Anybody like this flop or hate it?

Most ppl seem loose, passive-ish. early hand, so dunno

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, UTG calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets....

toss · #2 09-05-2005, 01:14 AM

The things I dislike about the flop raise is that UTG already called and the board has two diamonds. Plus I don't think the loose passies will fold often enough to make this work. Folding others in the pot is important because you want to clean up your pair outs.

ebranig · #3 09-05-2005, 01:46 AM

I don't like this call at all. But then again, I don't play 2/4...

toss · #4 09-05-2005, 01:47 AM

Table seems loose so its look perfectly fine.

Harv72b · #5 09-05-2005, 01:51 AM

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Most ppl seem loose, passive-ish. early hand, so dunno

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Based on this, your KTs should've been folded preflop. You can't play this hand for a profit from EP unless you know the game is very loose/passive (and even then it's marginal).

I'd like the flop raise a lot more if the 9 were a club. As it is, you're raising a flop with a good amount of draw potential, in a small stakes game, with a large pot--you aren't going to fold out enough of your opponents often enough to make this raise worth doing.

When you catch the perfect turn card, your play after that is pretty straightforward.

istewart · #6 09-05-2005, 02:02 AM

Playing KTs at the right table in early position can't be that marginal, considering many posters are raising KJs there.

SackUp · #7 09-05-2005, 02:04 AM

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Most ppl seem loose, passive-ish. early hand, so dunno

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Based on this, your KTs should've been folded preflop. You can't play this hand for a profit from EP unless you know the game is very loose/passive (and even then it's marginal).

I'd like the flop raise a lot more if the 9 were a club. As it is, you're raising a flop with a good amount of draw potential, in a small stakes game, with a large pot--you aren't going to fold out enough of your opponents often enough to make this raise worth doing.

When you catch the perfect turn card, your play after that is pretty straightforward.

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I never fold two suited broadways preflop in EP at 2/4. You have to think you have superior postflop play and this is a solid multiway hand for Flush and Straight draws.

The flop raise on this hand is marginal, but not a bad idea trying to clean up some outs, buy position and possibly a free card. With all that said I guess I really don't dislike the move. Granted not all of those things happpened but then again you got a great turn card so it did not matter [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

nh

27offsooot · #8 09-05-2005, 02:05 AM

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Playing KTs at the right table in early position can't be that marginal, considering many posters are raising KJs there.

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Yeah, i agree. Unless the table is unusually tight for 2/4, i'm limping this in EP. Flop raise is pretty bad though.

Harv72b · #9 09-05-2005, 02:09 AM

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Playing KTs at the right table in early position can't be that marginal, considering many posters are raising KJs there.

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I don't think you're giving up much by folding it there, even on a loose/passive table. As always, though, I'm speaking from gut instinct & not any empirical evidence (because I'm too lazy to do the grunt work [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]).

Harv72b · #10 09-05-2005, 02:15 AM

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I never fold two suited broadways preflop in EP at 2/4. You have to think you have superior postflop play and this is a solid multiway hand for Flush and Straight draws.

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If you don't mind me asking, how are you doing with KTs on EP limps?

Not trying to be a smartass; I'm genuinely curious because I routinely fold this hand on 2/4.