Too much with too little?

barongreenback · #1 09-04-2005, 08:52 AM

Villain was loose preflop. Not too much raising but more than just AA. Postflop he showed some care with his stack.

$100 PLO 5 handed
2 posters($20 + $30) check, Button(covers) raises to $5.50, I ($110) call in sb with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], BB(covers) and posters fold.

Flop 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (pot $14)
I check, Button bets pot and I raise to $53

Any good? What do you do instead? Preflop too.

Thanks,
James

Spellmen · #2 09-04-2005, 12:59 PM

I fold the flop. Villain could have anything from 2pair/set to a straight. Your flush draw, the biggest thing going for you right now could also be dead.

TheRempel · #3 09-04-2005, 03:35 PM

It's not a bad bet if the button is tight postflop and easily moved off a hand. Anything he can call you with here (if he is somewhat solid, anyway) probably has you crushed.

autobet · #4 09-05-2005, 11:29 AM

You are in good shape if the raiser has high cards. You are the favorite if he has something like KK with clubs.

You will be a 2-1 to 3-1 dog when he has middle cards, and occassionally dead when he has something like A987 with clubs.

Making this play should also get you action in the future.

barongreenback · #5 09-05-2005, 01:24 PM

How often do you think I'll get better hands to fold? Does a check raise fold many hands that a bet won't?

RoundersRocks! · #6 09-05-2005, 05:58 PM

I would bet instead of check raise. If he is weak, he might be knocked off high cards that missed. He he re-raises, you can put him on a hand. A check raise with AA is just a bluff, anything he would call you with has you beat.

autobet · #7 09-05-2005, 06:19 PM

Yes, betting will tend to get most players to fold high cards/overpairs unless they have the nut flush draw or maybe king high flush draw.

barongreenback · #8 09-07-2005, 04:53 AM

Thanks everyone. I hate it too. I reasoned that, usually, either my AA or my flush draw would be good. Of course, not being dead is no reason to play for your stack. I hoped I could fold 2 pair but he'll often have something with 2 pair here.

Problem is, either he is scared of this board or he has hit it and when he bets he has more likely hit it. Vs a more aggressive player and with the nut FD, it may have some merit. Still, raising FDs OOP where it leaves 1 bet behind is bad practice.

Anyway, he had Ah7d5d4d which was a lighter preflop hand than I expected and I was 41:59 which was about as good as I could expect. Thankfully, I didn't suck out.

James