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Old 09-02-2005, 12:41 PM
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Default 5 hands from PP 11s. Please provide feedback.

#1 - I thought to myself "If I push here, the only call I get has me beat". And did it anyway. I can't believe I am even posting this one. Makes me ill.

Seat 2: winla88 (1620)
Seat 3: asterix666 (118)
Seat 4: isthatyochik (1603)
Seat 5: pdxjayhawk (885)
Seat 7: JustusLeague (804)
Seat 8: fbomsabound (975)
Seat 9: HeavyK_13 (825)
Seat 10: sabeon (1170)
sabeon posts small blind (25)
winla88 posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fbomsabound [ Jc, Jd ]
asterix666 raises (118) to 118
asterix666 is all-In.
isthatyochik folds.
pdxjayhawk folds.
JustusLeague folds.
fbomsabound calls (118)
HeavyK_13 folds.
sabeon calls (93)
winla88 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $404 with asterix666
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6c, Qd, 3s ]
sabeon checks.
fbomsabound bets (857)
fbomsabound is all-In.


#2 - Too agressive with 6 players left and EP raiser?

Seat 5: TripSixes666 (925)
Seat 6: mconklin82 (1753)
Seat 7: fbomsabound (1165)
Seat 8: lars2809 (1707)
Seat 9: rbjake1 (690)
Seat 10: silverfork (1760)
mconklin82 posts small blind (15)
fbomsabound posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fbomsabound [ Qs, As ]
rbjake1: see ya
lars2809 raises (90) to 90
rbjake1 folds.
silverfork folds.
TripSixes666 folds.
mconklin82 folds.
fbomsabound raises (1135) to 1165
fbomsabound is all-In.



#3 - I had pushed into this guy in both of my last two SBs. Can I throw this away?

Seat 2: bigfamily (1862)
Seat 3: KOP_US (2882)
Seat 4: Imgonnadogu (2216)
Seat 9: fbomsabound (1040)
fbomsabound posts small blind (75)
bigfamily posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fbomsabound [ 7h, Kh ]
KOP_US folds.
Imgonnadogu folds.
fbomsabound raises (965) to 1040
fbomsabound is all-In.


#4 - Big stack had been pushing around his weight. The min-raise scared me.

Seat 3: fbomsabound (1235)
Seat 8: breeeder (660)
Seat 9: Holdemdnuts (1935)
Seat 10: ornyecats (4170)
fbomsabound posts small blind (75)
breeeder posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fbomsabound [ 8d, 8c ]
Holdemdnuts folds.
ornyecats raises (300) to 300
fbomsabound folds.


#5 - I wanted action pre-flop, thus the raise to 3x. Loved the flop, couldn't imagine a draw after the pre-flop raise. I thought my bet on the flop would chase anything other than queens or PP (both of which I wanted to keep in). On the turn, I wanted to kill their odds. I figure if I'm beat now, I'm beat - no more drawing cheap. Is this standard or should I bet 4-5x pre-flop then push the flop? Other?

Seat 1: fbomsabound (850)
Seat 3: dkarner75 (420)
Seat 4: eeeee222 (510)
Seat 5: Dylan777 (715)
Seat 6: cooker117 (1395)
Seat 7: its_ur_money (1145)
Seat 8: moceanblu (1320)
Seat 9: generic_rx (730)
Seat 10: Maiztro (915)
eeeee222 posts small blind (15)
Dylan777 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fbomsabound [ Ah, As ]
its_ur_money: nh
cooker117 folds.
its_ur_money folds.
moceanblu folds.
generic_rx folds.
Maiztro folds.
fbomsabound raises (90) to 90
dkarner75 folds.
eeeee222 calls (75)
Dylan777 calls (60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3s, Qc, 4h ]
eeeee222 checks.
Dylan777 checks.
fbomsabound bets (175)
eeeee222 calls (175)
Dylan777 calls (175)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6h ]
eeeee222 checks.
Dylan777 checks.
fbomsabound bets (585)
fbomsabound is all-In.
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Old 09-02-2005, 12:50 PM
45suited 45suited is offline
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Default Re: 5 hands from PP 11s. Please provide feedback.

1) push pre-flop. wtf?

2) I just call pre-flop

3, 4, and 5 look fine
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Old 09-02-2005, 12:59 PM
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#1 I push over the first all-in
#2 I just call with position and play the flop.
#3&4 are good
#5 I raise a little bit more preflop. I don't want two callers with AA.
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Old 09-02-2005, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: 5 hands from PP 11s. Please provide feedback.

Without reads:

#1. I either overpush PF or raise it PF. The allin guy basically minraised, giving anyone with a decent hand a cheap opportunity to see the flop. With ~ t200 in the pot and t975 in my stack, I probably push allin to isolate against the desparate allin guy.

#2. Yes. It's too early to get all your chips in with AQs. Against sane opponents, you'll only be called by hands that you're either a slight dog against (TT+) or a big dog against (QQ+, AK). Either call and see a flop or dump it. I fold it and wait for a better spot. (Unless, of course, you put the guy on a calling range of {KT+,A5+,22+} noting that this is a $10+1).

#3. Easy push. You have 7 bb.

#4. This is close. It really depends on the range you assign to the big stack. If he's been loose ({A2+,22+,KT+,QJ}), you'll be significantly ahead often enough for the push to be +EV. If he's been tight ({AQ+,AJs+,TT+}), you're either a slight favorite or a huge dog. Pass it up and wait for a better spot. Keep in mind that the short stack will have 3 bb after this hand.

#5. I would raise it to 100 PF to get it HU against one opponent. Players at the $10+1 level love to see flops. Both blinds called, so they could have almost anything. The rest of the hand played out fine. Looks like you ran into 33/44 and KQ/QJ.
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Old 09-02-2005, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: 5 hands from PP 11s. Please provide feedback.

#1 - I don't like it, if you're going to push a flop like that you probably shoud have pushed preflop. On the flop after he checks you can bet 150-200 instead of your stack and go from there.

#2 - You have a nice stack for that level, why risk it like that? Depending on how he built his stack I either fold or just call and take a flop.

#3 - Push is fine.

#4 - Fold is fine, I wouldn't push with a short stack behind and I don't like calling here.

#5 - Seems standard, although I like betting the flop a little more against two people.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: 5 hands from PP 11s. Please provide feedback.

1 - Raise to 300t PF.
2 - This is a good spot for a stop and go.
3 - This is okay to push unless you really expect a spite call.
4 - Push!
5 - Nice hand.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:38 PM
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Default Re: 5 hands from PP 11s. Please provide feedback.

Seat 2: winla88 (1620)
Seat 3: asterix666 (118)
Seat 4: isthatyochik (1603)
Seat 5: pdxjayhawk (885)
Seat 7: JustusLeague (804)
Seat 8: fbomsabound (975)
Seat 9: HeavyK_13 (825)
Seat 10: sabeon (1170)
sabeon posts small blind (25)
winla88 posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fbomsabound [ Jc, Jd ]
asterix666 raises (118) to 118
asterix666 is all-In.
isthatyochik folds.
pdxjayhawk folds.
JustusLeague folds.
fbomsabound calls (118) [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]<font color="purple"> why not push here?</font>
HeavyK_13 folds.
sabeon calls (93)
winla88 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $404 with asterix666
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6c, Qd, 3s ]
sabeon checks.
fbomsabound bets (857)
fbomsabound is all-In.


#2 - Too agressive with 6 players left and EP raiser?

Seat 5: TripSixes666 (925)
Seat 6: mconklin82 (1753)
Seat 7: fbomsabound (1165)
Seat 8: lars2809 (1707)
Seat 9: rbjake1 (690)
Seat 10: silverfork (1760)
mconklin82 posts small blind (15)
fbomsabound posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fbomsabound [ Qs, As ]
rbjake1: see ya
lars2809 raises (90) to 90
rbjake1 folds.
silverfork folds.
TripSixes666 folds.
mconklin82 folds.
fbomsabound raises (1135) to 1165 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]<font color="purple"> I probably call this most of the time and see a flop</font>
fbomsabound is all-In.



#3 - I had pushed into this guy in both of my last two SBs. Can I throw this away?

Seat 2: bigfamily (1862)
Seat 3: KOP_US (2882)
Seat 4: Imgonnadogu (2216)
Seat 9: fbomsabound (1040)
fbomsabound posts small blind (75)
bigfamily posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fbomsabound [ 7h, Kh ]
KOP_US folds.
Imgonnadogu folds.
fbomsabound raises (965) to 1040 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="purple"> good push</font>
fbomsabound is all-In.


#4 - Big stack had been pushing around his weight. The min-raise scared me.

Seat 3: fbomsabound (1235)
Seat 8: breeeder (660)
Seat 9: Holdemdnuts (1935)
Seat 10: ornyecats (4170)
fbomsabound posts small blind (75)
breeeder posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fbomsabound [ 8d, 8c ]
Holdemdnuts folds.
ornyecats raises (300) to 300
fbomsabound folds. [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="purple"> I push this unless I've seen ornyecats minraise with monsters before</font>


#5 - I wanted action pre-flop, thus the raise to 3x. Loved the flop, couldn't imagine a draw after the pre-flop raise. I thought my bet on the flop would chase anything other than queens or PP (both of which I wanted to keep in). On the turn, I wanted to kill their odds. I figure if I'm beat now, I'm beat - no more drawing cheap. Is this standard or should I bet 4-5x pre-flop then push the flop? Other?

Seat 1: fbomsabound (850)
Seat 3: dkarner75 (420)
Seat 4: eeeee222 (510)
Seat 5: Dylan777 (715)
Seat 6: cooker117 (1395)
Seat 7: its_ur_money (1145)
Seat 8: moceanblu (1320)
Seat 9: generic_rx (730)
Seat 10: Maiztro (915)
eeeee222 posts small blind (15)
Dylan777 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fbomsabound [ Ah, As ]
its_ur_money: nh
cooker117 folds.
its_ur_money folds.
moceanblu folds.
generic_rx folds.
Maiztro folds.
fbomsabound raises (90) to 90
dkarner75 folds.
eeeee222 calls (75)
Dylan777 calls (60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3s, Qc, 4h ]
eeeee222 checks.
Dylan777 checks.
fbomsabound bets (175)
eeeee222 calls (175)
Dylan777 calls (175)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6h ]
eeeee222 checks.
Dylan777 checks.
fbomsabound bets (585)
fbomsabound is all-In. [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="purple"> Your line on this looks fine to me. </font>
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Old 09-02-2005, 06:12 PM
ReDeYES88 ReDeYES88 is offline
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[ QUOTE ]
1 - Raise to 300t PF.
2 - This is a good spot for a stop and go.
3 - This is okay to push unless you really expect a spite call.
4 - Push!
5 - Nice hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

actually a push is +$EV even if villan is calling with any two
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