River ?

Trix · #1 08-31-2005, 05:21 AM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, MP calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets, Hero ..

His stats were something like 40/20/2 with around 40 WSD and 4x won.

marand · #2 08-31-2005, 06:00 AM

I would fold the river, but I think it's a difficult decision against this type of opponent.

The Truth · #3 08-31-2005, 06:01 AM

what merit does raising the turn have?

marand · #4 08-31-2005, 06:05 AM

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what merit does raising the turn have?

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I don't like raising the turn because it really sucks to get 3-bet. We don't know how many outs we have. Flushdraw if often good, but not always. Sometimes A or J could be an out. Also I don't think the LAG will fold many hands (if any) which are ahead of us.

spydog · #5 08-31-2005, 07:16 AM

A river raise would be OK here, although folding is also an option. Raising looks like a pretty strong hand to villian as we are pretty much representing trips or top pair, so I think he can fold hands like 7x or mid pocket pairs enough here.

I don't really like calling because for the extra BB I think we can fold some better hands to make raising better than calling.

aK13 · #6 08-31-2005, 07:38 AM

I fold. That board totally owns your hand IMO, and I can't really put a hand on villain that would play like this that doesn't have you beat.

Trix · #7 08-31-2005, 07:57 AM

Happy birthday!

mr pink · #8 08-31-2005, 09:29 AM

this looks like a fold to me.

his flop c/r is either representing a flush draw, a ten, an underpair, or air. 2 of those got there on the turn and aren't folding. i really don't think the Queen is a good card to bluff raise as if he was on air, the queen might have hit some of his likely holdings, if he c/r'd with AQ, KQ, QJ etc... i think you're only chance of taking this down is if he's on the underpair and is willing to lay it down to a river raise. that's quite and expensive parlay imo, there is just too much bad out there. calling is out of the question, right?

edit: just saw his wtsd of 40, given that i think it's fairly unlikely he folds to the river raise.

Trix · #9 08-31-2005, 09:31 PM

I folded and he showed 9h8h. If 98s, not diamonds, is the only hand he CRs on the flop that I beat, then I think I can fold this river as Tx,7x,PP,XXd all beat me. People often see other stuff than that in this spot ?

Without knowing anything about opponent, Spicy said that he probably 3bet the flop.
That seem pretty reasonable aslong as the guy doesn´t like capping his draws or CR bluffing the turn after getting played back at or if it can move him off a better hand on some turn cards. K/Qs should put a fair ammount of pressure on him if I had 3bet the flop.

The Truth · #10 09-01-2005, 05:14 AM

ohh i see it,
3 bet the flop.
check it down.