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Standard, or overzealous value bet attempt
Villain is new to the table, and hasnt done anything out of the ordinary.
Is the river a bet/fold situation? I figured that he had 2 pair, or maybe a set of 3s, and that I had sucked out on him on the turn. Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, Button calls, SB folds. Turn: (3.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls. River: (11.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 15.50 BB |
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Re: Standard, or overzealous value bet attempt
What is his hand range for calling preflop UTG. It is really hard to put him on a range of hands withough knowing if he plays hands like Q3, Q7, J3, J7, or 73 UTG.
Without knowing that, bet folding the river would be absolutely terrible. He could easily have Q3 or Q7 and you would be folding the best hand. Also, if he has something that you beat, he is almost always going to bet anything that he would have called with anyway. Bet/folding is not better then check/calling if you are ahead or behind. |
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Re: Standard, or overzealous value bet attempt
I have problems putting people on UTG limp hands. Since i never do it, I am not sure what the average unknown would do it with. Also, I tend to think that anyone wo UTG limps is pretty bad, so I would lean toward a small pair, or any two suited cards. Is there a general range people put on unknown UTG limpers?
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Re: Standard, or overzealous value bet attempt
Preflop: standard
Flop: good Turn: Good, but after he caps your plan should be to call/call for the showdown. River: Check/call Adam |
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Re: Standard, or overzealous value bet attempt
You said he was new to the table, but did not do anything out of the ordinary. I just saw the second part, so I thought you had some read on him.
In general, you don't need to put him on any particular hand. You just have to determine if he is loose enough to limp with random junk like Q7 or not. If he wouldn't play a hand, you can take it out of the range that he could have. |
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Re: Standard, or overzealous value bet attempt
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Preflop: standard Flop: good Turn: Good, but after he caps your plan should be to call/call for the showdown. River: Check/call Adam [/ QUOTE ] What sort of hand range would you put him on after the turn cap, Adam? |
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Re: Standard, or overzealous value bet attempt
Are you advocating a check/fold instead of a check/call. I was thinking the most likely holding is an inferior 2 Pair, or maybe 33.
C-Dog |
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Re: Standard, or overzealous value bet attempt
Listen to Adam, he is right on.
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Re: Standard, or overzealous value bet attempt
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Are you advocating a check/fold instead of a check/call. I was thinking the most likely holding is an inferior 2 Pair, or maybe 33. C-Dog [/ QUOTE ] Nah, I'm definitely showing down. I was just trying to estimate our river equity. |
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Re: Standard, or overzealous value bet attempt
I would play the hand like u. Bet the river with the intention of calling a raise. He could have 77, 33 or a worse 2-pair. I could even put him on AA. But your hand is good enough very often. So u got to call
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