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#1
08-30-2005, 04:19 PM
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On the Button with K9o
Villain seems like a solid player. I've been a bit active at the table lately and I've also shown I am willing to call down lightly (for better or worse). Is this a good line to take here? I feel I'm often lost in stealing situations (both stealing and defending).
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (7 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (6.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (8.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 10.50 BB 
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#2
08-30-2005, 04:23 PM
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Re: On the Button with K9o
there are 3 options:
1. raise the flop and call down if 3-bet 2. call the flop and raise the turn 3. call to the river where you'll raise often I'll take #2 but here you're against A high a lot and we don't want that folding. #3 usually isn't the best play except against a LAG because too often a worse hand check-calls. I like your play here because it keeps A high in. it strings him along for one bet at a time
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#3
08-30-2005, 04:25 PM
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Re: On the Button with K9o
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there are 3 options: 1. raise the flop and call down if 3-bet 2. call the flop and raise the turn 3. call to the river where you'll raise often I'll take #2 but here you're against A high a lot and we don't want that folding. #3 usually isn't the best play except against a LAG because too often a worse hand check-calls. I like your play here because it keeps A high in. it strings him along for one bet at a time [/ QUOTE ] I think there is a 4th option. Call on all streets, bet if checked to.
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#4
08-30-2005, 04:27 PM
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Re: On the Button with K9o
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[ QUOTE ] there are 3 options: 1. raise the flop and call down if 3-bet 2. call the flop and raise the turn 3. call to the river where you'll raise often I'll take #2 but here you're against A high a lot and we don't want that folding. #3 usually isn't the best play except against a LAG because too often a worse hand check-calls. I like your play here because it keeps A high in. it strings him along for one bet at a time [/ QUOTE ] I think there is a 4th option. Call on all streets, bet if checked to. [/ QUOTE ] I think he's ahead far too often to just call. and when he's ahead he gets paid off by plenty of worse hands.
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#5
08-30-2005, 04:31 PM
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Re: On the Button with K9o
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] there are 3 options: 1. raise the flop and call down if 3-bet 2. call the flop and raise the turn 3. call to the river where you'll raise often I'll take #2 but here you're against A high a lot and we don't want that folding. #3 usually isn't the best play except against a LAG because too often a worse hand check-calls. I like your play here because it keeps A high in. it strings him along for one bet at a time [/ QUOTE ] I think there is a 4th option. Call on all streets, bet if checked to. [/ QUOTE ] I think he's ahead far too often to just call. and when he's ahead he gets paid off by plenty of worse hands. [/ QUOTE ] I also think he's ahead often here and if you raise the flop you are giving him a chance to get off cheaply but check/folding the turn after just calling your raise. he can also check raise you on the turn whenver he has you beat. I do use other plays here and think that I would most often raise the flop as hero did but I think calling down has merit.
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#6
08-30-2005, 04:34 PM
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Re: On the Button with K9o
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] there are 3 options: 1. raise the flop and call down if 3-bet 2. call the flop and raise the turn 3. call to the river where you'll raise often I'll take #2 but here you're against A high a lot and we don't want that folding. #3 usually isn't the best play except against a LAG because too often a worse hand check-calls. I like your play here because it keeps A high in. it strings him along for one bet at a time [/ QUOTE ] I think there is a 4th option. Call on all streets, bet if checked to. [/ QUOTE ] I think he's ahead far too often to just call. and when he's ahead he gets paid off by plenty of worse hands. [/ QUOTE ] I also think he's ahead often here and if you raise the flop you are giving him a chance to get off cheaply but check/folding the turn after just calling your raise. he can also check raise you on the turn whenver he has you beat. I do use other plays here and think that I would most often raise the flop as hero did but I think calling down has merit. [/ QUOTE ] ok I was thinking of "call down" as a generic play. you're saying it's best to call the flop and turn to not induce a fold, then call the river since it's less likely he's betting a worse hand. that makes sense. basically the same as my #3 except you don't feel a river raise will be profitable
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#7
08-30-2005, 04:44 PM
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Re: On the Button with K9o
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] there are 3 options: 1. raise the flop and call down if 3-bet 2. call the flop and raise the turn 3. call to the river where you'll raise often I'll take #2 but here you're against A high a lot and we don't want that folding. #3 usually isn't the best play except against a LAG because too often a worse hand check-calls. I like your play here because it keeps A high in. it strings him along for one bet at a time [/ QUOTE ] I think there is a 4th option. Call on all streets, bet if checked to. [/ QUOTE ] I think he's ahead far too often to just call. and when he's ahead he gets paid off by plenty of worse hands. [/ QUOTE ] I also think he's ahead often here and if you raise the flop you are giving him a chance to get off cheaply but check/folding the turn after just calling your raise. he can also check raise you on the turn whenver he has you beat. I do use other plays here and think that I would most often raise the flop as hero did but I think calling down has merit. [/ QUOTE ] ok I was thinking of "call down" as a generic play. you're saying it's best to call the flop and turn to not induce a fold, then call the river since it's less likely he's betting a worse hand. that makes sense. basically the same as my #3 except you don't feel a river raise will be profitable [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. If our TAG opponent bets again on the river he is often going to have a better king or be on a bluff or a thin value bet with an underpair. I'm not sure we are going to get called enough by worse hands to make it the best play. I know that when I have tried it it often fails. I look at this hand and think to myself, "If one bet goes in on every street against a TAG I'm happy." I view these types of hands as good times to vary my play against thinking opponents. Obviously against other opponents I would be willing to go to war on the flop. And some guys are best to raise on the turn.
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