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The Gr8 H8 of being donkbet
SB here is a wacky player - roughly 65/30/1 for you stats people. I wish I could provide a decent read - but he has basically no clear patterns. He has check/called with mid-undercards, gutshots. He has bet out small pairs, draws, really whatever he feels like, he does.
I raise K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in MP, folds to him in the SB and he auto-calls. BB folds. Flop is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] He quickly bets - getting 6:1, now what? It is pretty safe to assume that he will bet the turn 100% of the time if I call, he may check if an ace falls, I'm not sure. I'd love to get some input - and hopefully some mathematical analysis if possible - assuming things like he would bet out a ten here 100% of the time, along with hands like Q8. Thanks, -DrG |
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Re: The Gr8 H8 of being donkbet
I'd peel one off and fold turn UI (raise obviously if K or Q hits). Folding here wouldnt be awful but these types generally pay off handsomely on the big bet streets.
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Re: The Gr8 H8 of being donkbet
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SB here is a wacky player - roughly 65/30/1 for you stats people. I wish I could provide a decent read - but he has basically no clear patterns. He has check/called with mid-undercards, gutshots. He has bet out small pairs, draws, really whatever he feels like, he does. I raise K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in MP, folds to him in the SB and he auto-calls. BB folds. Flop is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] He quickly bets - getting 6:1, now what? It is pretty safe to assume that he will bet the turn 100% of the time if I call, he may check if an ace falls, I'm not sure. I'd love to get some input - and hopefully some mathematical analysis if possible - assuming things like he would bet out a ten here 100% of the time, along with hands like Q8. Thanks, -DrG [/ QUOTE ] This is a horrible flop for your hand, I dont care what type of opponent you are against, you should fold the flop. Theres no where else you can go here. |
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Re: The Gr8 H8 of being donkbet
If you make these assumptions the hand is easy:
1) has you beat now 2) will bet the turn no matter what falls, call a raise and check/call the river 3) K/Q outs are clean. 4) The running straight draw isn't significant. Then you're about a 7-1 dog to improve on the turn and are getting 12-1 odds. Given how extremely good those odds are, I'd say this is a call even if you drop the assumptions I mentioned. |
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Re: The Gr8 H8 of being donkbet
Given the wackiness of the opposition, who could be betting almost anything here (underpairs come to mind on this hand), I peel one. If the flop was two-tone, I muck without a second thought.
TSP |
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Re: The Gr8 H8 of being donkbet
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If you make these assumptions the hand is easy: 1) has you beat now 2) will bet the turn no matter what falls, call a raise and check/call the river 3) K/Q outs are clean. 4) The running straight draw isn't significant. Then you're about a 7-1 dog to improve on the turn and are getting 12-1 odds. Given how extremely good those odds are, I'd say this is a call even if you drop the assumptions I mentioned. [/ QUOTE ] Where do you come up with the 12-1 odds here? |
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Re: The Gr8 H8 of being donkbet
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[ QUOTE ] If you make these assumptions the hand is easy: 1) has you beat now 2) will bet the turn no matter what falls, call a raise and check/call the river 3) K/Q outs are clean. 4) The running straight draw isn't significant. Then you're about a 7-1 dog to improve on the turn and are getting 12-1 odds. Given how extremely good those odds are, I'd say this is a call even if you drop the assumptions I mentioned. [/ QUOTE ] Where do you come up with the 12-1 odds here? [/ QUOTE ] There are 6 small bets in the pot right now. On the turn, given that my assumption that he bet/calls it, that's 2 big bets earned, so that makes 10 total small bets earned. On the river you earn one more big bet for a total of 12. Sound? The real flaw in my argument is that the assumptions are all unsafe. However, given how obvious the call is if they were safe, I think the call is still correct in the actual situation. |
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Re: The Gr8 H8 of being donkbet
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[ QUOTE ] Where do you come up with the 12-1 odds here? [/ QUOTE ] There are 6 small bets in the pot right now. On the turn, given that my assumption that he bet/calls it, that's 2 big bets earned, so that makes 10 total small bets earned. On the river you earn one more big bet for a total of 12. Sound? [/ QUOTE ] No, because it costs you 2 more small bets when you miss on the turn. If miss the turn, you probably have just enough odds to call the turn bet if you assume your 6 outs are good and he will always lose 2 big bets on the river when you hit. (5-1 on turn call, plus 2 bets implied = 7-1). But these are very optimistic assumptions. |
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Re: The Gr8 H8 of being donkbet
I would call here. Most people I would raise but I doubt that he folds and with a guy like it is impossible to figure out what exactly he has as of yet. I agree with thr responses above if a k-q-or even an ace hit raise.
Buffro patexashold-em.com |
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Re: The Gr8 H8 of being donkbet
[ QUOTE ]
SB here is a wacky player - roughly 65/30/1 for you stats people. I wish I could provide a decent read - but he has basically no clear patterns. He has check/called with mid-undercards, gutshots. He has bet out small pairs, draws, really whatever he feels like, he does. [/ QUOTE ] This sounds exactly like the kind of guy I'd consider raising on this flop, if he is really passive enough to let me check behind on the turn. |
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