Party 22s: Please tell me this push is horrible

Jackrabbit Slim · #1 08-29-2005, 12:45 AM

I felt I was playing this hand a bit too fast, but seeing that open ended straight flush draw on the flop made me go crazy and I pushed without much thinking and regretted it almost immediately. UTG is a bit loose, but a good post flop player, MP1 is not so good (neither am I if you look at this play).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) converter

MP1 (t690)
MP2 (t1175)
CO (t910)
Button (t940)
Hero (t1275)
BB (t1255)
UTG (t1755)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t150, MP1 calls t150, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t600) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero pushes...

Shilly · #2 08-29-2005, 01:07 AM

I don't think this is that terrible. Unless they're limping higher PPs than 7's, you're only going to get called by made flushes, the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]x, sets (which you have lots of outs against), and a flopped two pair from the BB. I don't think that this is as bad as you think it is.

LethalRose · #3 08-29-2005, 01:08 AM

uh, Push preflop?

ilya · #4 08-29-2005, 01:16 AM

You're ahead of 2 pair, ahead of flush draw+overs, ahead of flush draw+pair, ahead of overpair-no-diamond, dead even with a set, a 2:1 dog to an overpair with a diamond, and dead against a flush. An overpair of any sort is unlikely, so you're really only worried about a made flush. $20s players do like to limp in with any 2 suiteds, but since they'll also cheerfully call you with plenty of hands you beat, I think the push is fine.

#5 08-29-2005, 01:17 AM

Dont push cuz if he folds you cant see if you make your straight flush. come on thats obvious

niquewon · #6 08-29-2005, 01:18 AM

Unless I thought UTG was limping a monster hand I'd push preflop with this hand. Given the line you took I really don't mind your play, nobody has shown any real strength up to this point and even if you are behind you have a strong draw.

Shilly · #7 08-29-2005, 01:38 AM

Oh, and this.

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uh, Push preflop?

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Isura · #8 08-29-2005, 01:43 AM

What is wrong with your push? Where you calling preflop to hit your set??? This is as good a flop as you can hope for, put all the money as a probably favorite and a maximal change of having everyone fold.

And I push preflop too if I think I have some FE. But against donkeys that will call preflop with QT, I don't mind your line.

MicroBob · #9 08-29-2005, 03:39 AM

i want to know why the original poster thinks this push is so horrible in the first place.

i suspect he got beat by something and that he is being WAY too results-oriented.

Jackrabbit Slim · #10 08-29-2005, 03:47 AM

The main reason is that, as I said in the original post, I played the hand too fast. I almost instantly clicked call when it was my turn before the flop, and right away felt that I should probably have pushed. Then I went all-in on the flop to sort of compensate for the lack of pushing preflop without really thinking it through. I basically saw the open ended straight flush draw and pushed. That's what it felt like anyway if it makes any sense [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Afterwards I figured I should maybe have checkraised all in instead to get some more chips in the pot, or something, I'm not sure what.

(And of course I lost the hand but that's not really relevant)