$109s - Boring AK Hand

Unarmed · #1 08-25-2005, 06:32 PM

Nothing too interesting.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t806)
UTG+2 (t1154)
MP1 (t1000)
MP2 (t1000)
Hero (t990)
CO (t1015)
Button (t1600)
SB (t435)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t60, 3 folds, MP2 calls t60, Hero calls t60, 2 folds, SB calls t50, 1 fold.

Flop: (t255) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t200, SB folds, UTG calls t200, MP2 folds.

Turn: (t655) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (t655) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero has 730 behind and bets how much?

Isura · #2 08-25-2005, 06:39 PM

You're definitely ahead on the river. 200?

#3 08-25-2005, 06:40 PM

Why did you check the turn? I have him on a draw and you gave him a free look at it. He didn't make it here either, though, so I would put out another 200 and expect him to fold.

TheSalche · #4 08-25-2005, 06:40 PM

wondering why check the turn here and give him a free card at a possible flush draw?

other than that, good idea to bet 200 - 300 on the river i suppose

#5 08-25-2005, 06:41 PM

CORRECTION: I shouldn't say I have him on a draw, but I am suspicious.

Jakob · #6 08-25-2005, 06:43 PM

Why don't you bet the turn?

Note to myself: (it is only the donks at 22 that will call you with nothing)

#7 08-25-2005, 06:46 PM

By the way, since this is $109 I'm going to give villain some credit here. If he has flopped a monster, isn't he worried about YOU drawing out a flush? If so, wouldn't he re-raise the flop? I think the call of the flop indicates you have the best hand and you should therefore continue value-betting the turn.

The Yugoslavian · #8 08-25-2005, 06:54 PM

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By the way, since this is $109 I'm going to give villain some credit here. If he has flopped a monster, isn't he worried about YOU drawing out a flush? If so, wouldn't he re-raise the flop? I think the call of the flop indicates you have the best hand and you should therefore continue value-betting the turn.

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Sometimes value-checking is more profitable.

Here, probably not. But...I wasn't playing vs. villian...

Yugoslav

adanthar · #9 08-25-2005, 07:17 PM

I put him on JJ here (or maybe AT plus some other crap if he's retarded) and push because if he calls 300 he'll call a push.

Irieguy · #10 08-25-2005, 07:45 PM

If you're going to check the turn (which I like, btw), you have to just check-down the river when the queen comes.

The reason why that's such a bad card is because there aren't many hands the opponent can have that didn't improve on the river, but with which he would be willing to call any significant bet on the end.

Nothing wrong with taking a 655 chip pot here with no further risk. The reason why this isn't weak-tight is because of how nicely the hand plays out when a more innocuous card comes on the river, and how often he'll bluff at you (or incorrectly value bet with an under pair) on the river.

The nice thing about the way you played the hand is that you'll get paid off by QQ, and may get bluffed at by A-Js all the times the queen doesn't hit on the river.

So, good line. But if you're going to play poker like this you have to be able to simply check down the river even though it seems too weak-tight. Not going broke here against QQ is what separates post flop players from "oh-sheet-the-turn's-coming-in-a-second-and-i'm-probably-ahead-right-now-so-I-better-just-shove-em-in" players.

Irieguy