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QJs top pair
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (5 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds, SB calls, BB calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. River: (8.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG folds, SB calls. Final Pot: 12.50 BB As far as reads go so far I have seen UTG check call all the way with top pair, and check the nuts while last to act on the river. So he/she hasnt exactly been aggressive. On the flop I have top pair and some back door draws, but my backdoor straight draws make it very easy to be up against a full house. Guess my question is does anyone keep going with this? |
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Re: QJs top pair
I think you can raise it preflop.
The flop is really read depended. You have top pair, a bdfd ans a bdsd. So that's 3 outs right there. And another 2 Queens that's 5 outs JUST in case you are behind here. I would call. |
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Re: QJs top pair
Please don't post action after you fold, it can skew replies.
Hm, this is a tricky one. Let's assume we're behind for now: it's time to count outs. We can improve via 2 Queens, 3 jacks, 1.5 for our BDFD and 1.5 for our BDSD. That's 8 pre-discount outs, but I don't like our 2 pair since he may have trips. Let's say 6.5 outs, or about a 16.7% chance of improvement. We're being asked to put in 2/9, or 22% of the pot. Thus, unless we have the best hand often enough to make up for this, we can't call here. So the question is, do we have the best hand 7% of the time or so? It's possible that SB and UTG+1 both have queens with lower kickers, but that's really unlikely. An OESD however is a good possibility. I think we're ahead at least 7% here, but the added possibility that it'll be raised behind you pretty much turns it into a coinflip to me. This seems like it's an EV-neutral decision to me (even the rake might be enough to tip it to a fold), so I can't really say one way or the other. This would have been a good hand to put in my quiz [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (Also, sorry about me using percentages instead of ratios for my calculations, but it makes it a lot easier for me. I shoud do a writeup on it some time.) (Edit: forgot about opponent's straight draw, so it's not as clear a fold to me.) |
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