KJo makes second nut flush on river, oop

DavidC · #1 08-24-2005, 10:00 PM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (6 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)

Hero to act... BB is loose preflop and not stellar post-flop, UTG is an unknown.

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Bet, call a raise?

Raise preflop?

Me and You · #2 08-24-2005, 10:07 PM

Bet/call raise I think and hope the others arn't lucky. I wouldn't raise preflop as KJo ain't that good against UTG. IMO. However if they were suited another story.

Shillx · #3 08-24-2005, 10:09 PM

C'mon DC bet the damn river already. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

It is the ole "they will call with more hand than they will bet" argument. It works here very well.

Brad [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Tobin James Brut. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

grjr · #4 08-24-2005, 10:12 PM

Bet/call raise although I've never in my life had a one card K high flush where someone didn't have the ace.

I would never raise KJo from the SB unless it was a steal situation.

teajay · #5 08-24-2005, 10:12 PM

I would likely bet/call a raise.
I would not want this to get checked through, which is my reason for betting.

Having second nut flush using only one in your pocket isn't great, but I would think that if you get raised you'll need to call because you may be raised with a weaker flush and you'll likely be getting around 10:1.

Against better opponents a check call may be better.

*EDit: I don't raise PF. Maybe i'm too weak, but you're going to be OOP here and this hand isn't great.

DavidC · #6 08-24-2005, 10:33 PM

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C'mon DC bet the damn river already. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

It is the ole "they will call with more hand than they will bet" argument. It works here very well.

Re: the sig... did you lose a bet? j/c

Brad [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Tobin James Brut. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yeah yeah, I bet, and they both called, but that's not the point. Do I call if they raise?

DavidC · #7 08-24-2005, 10:38 PM

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Bet/call raise although I've never in my life had a one card K high flush where someone didn't have the ace.

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Yeah, I think I'm missing an important step. The correct line is:

Bet, punch self in nuts, Call.

gopnik · #8 08-24-2005, 10:45 PM

would anybody 3-bet if raised on the river?
A big spade might raise the river because it's hard to put hero on the flush here.

nomadtla · #9 08-24-2005, 10:46 PM

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Bet/call raise although I've never in my life had a one card K high flush where someone didn't have the ace.

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Yeah, I think I'm missing an important step. The correct line is:

Bet, punch self in nuts, Call.

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Dude get a cat: kicking cat/puking in bucket=+EV
punching self in nuts/puking on self=-EV

DavidC · #10 08-24-2005, 10:51 PM

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Bet/call raise although I've never in my life had a one card K high flush where someone didn't have the ace.

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Yeah, I think I'm missing an important step. The correct line is:

Bet, punch self in nuts, Call.

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Dude get a cat: kicking cat/puking in bucket=+EV
punching self in nuts/puking on self=-EV

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Good point, although, for true +EV the cat has to be free, so I recommend either cat sitting for a neighbour while they go on vacation, or adopting a cat from one of those shelters for abused animals.