KK played poorly - did I play this as bad as I think?

#1 08-24-2005, 02:54 PM

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (12 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB

I walked away from this hand feeling like I played it all wrong and shouldn't have been in to the river. Do you agree with that sentiment?

edit: Just noticed this post is in the wrong forum as its a nano game. Is there forgiveness for a first hand post?

hemstock · #2 08-24-2005, 02:58 PM

You should alwayse raise KK preflop no matter what. You played the rest of the hand good IMO. You're only beaten by a 9 or AA. Calling down is a must.

You SHOULD have been in till the river

gharp · #3 08-24-2005, 02:59 PM

First, edit out the "I should note..." line, it can taint your replies.

Second, why didn't you 3-bet preflop?

Third, the hand would play differently if you had 3-bet preflop, but I think you played fine post-flop given what happened.

#4 08-24-2005, 03:02 PM

Thanks for the tip on removing the line. Done.

Honestly looking back I can't figure out why I didn't. At the time I might have been thinking that a preflop raise hasn't done much to thin the field as of yet, but I also hadn't considered the bonus of getting an extra bet into the pot from all players. Thanks for the tip as I can already see where I lost out on a bigger pot at the risk of one or two extra small bets preflop.

aces_dad · #5 08-24-2005, 03:02 PM

Is there a reason you didn't 3bet this preflop? Other than that I think you played this hand fine

edit: except the river I go to war here and cap if possible.

That 9 on the river is a very good card for you, it reduces the chances of someone holding a 9 and makes you the second nut boat. Why do you think you should have gotten out of this hand?

UATrewqaz · #6 08-24-2005, 03:04 PM

Well it doesn't take a genius to see you won the hand. The only hands you lose to are AA and nobody showed any early aggression, and 9x, and once again nobody showed that much aggression on that board.

But you did play the hand poorly. You RAISE preflop, there are alot of people in already and they all have weaker hands than you (almost certainly, barring the unlikely KK/AA) therefor you are building a big pot you are the favorite to win (and by favorite I mean by plurality, not necessarily majority).

THe flop is somewhat co-ordinated but you were proper in raising, at best you figure someone has an open-ended or more likely gutshot draw.

The turn is a little scary but you can't slow down with such a big overpair.

The river is actually fantastic for you as you now have any straight beaten and it makes it UBER unlikely someone has a 9 considering 3 are on the board. Therefore it's pretty clear the bettor has 6 or 7 or a pocket pair lower than AA and a worse full house.

numeri · #7 08-24-2005, 03:06 PM

Holy passive, Batman. 3-bet preflop!

I might raise the river after MP3 bets, but whatever you do - don't fold!

Edit: Also wanted to mention that nano-limit questions are usually fine here. Many of us have experience there. (0.01/0.2, 0.02/0.04, 0.05/0.10, and 0.25/0.50 myself.)

#8 08-24-2005, 03:07 PM

First off, as the other posters noted you should definitely 3-bet the flop. But other than that I think you played it fine. I like your raise on the flop, you may have forced out gutshot straightdraws, etc. My guess on the turn would have been that MP3 was on a straightdraw, because he hadn't shown any aggression. That's why you have to bet the turn - you can't let anyone with an 8 see a card for free. And then on the river, you can be pretty confident you're good. I might even three bet the river, although I might be too scared of the 9.

baronzeus · #9 08-24-2005, 03:09 PM

You can go for overcalls the first time on the river but you need to raise it when it comes back to you.

BTW RAISE PREFLOP. YOU LOST LIKE 3-4BB BY NOT DOING SO

#10 08-24-2005, 03:12 PM

Yeah I feel like it was passive play on my part and that's probably one part that eats at me. I'm a fairly new poker player, having picked up the game just a few months ago, and trying like mad to utilize the resources I can to learn and adjust. At the time I was almost sure I was behind to the 4 of a kind, regardless of the fact that the odds were greatly in my favor. I knew I could beat any other full house, except for full of aces. It was that one card scaring me off when it really shouldn't. Thanks for the replies all, they're much appreciated.