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Old 08-24-2005, 10:07 AM
Unarmed Unarmed is offline
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Default $109s - Push or Fold PT IV

Pushed last two hands. Blinds just increased. Table is pretty aggressive.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) converter

Button (t1010)
SB (t3135)
BB (t1200)
UTG (t2220)
MP1 (t743)
Hero (t987)
CO (t705)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

Two hands later.

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MP (t1010)
CO (t3060)
Button (t2130)
SB (t2070)
BB (t743)
Hero (t987)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:22 AM
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Default Re: $109s - Push or Fold PT IV

Fold 1, Push 2.

I guess pushing KJ is not so bad, but I wouldn't do it, especially since you just pushed twice.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:00 AM
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Default Re: $109s - Push or Fold PT IV

I believe it's +EV to push both whatever your opponents do, but it's close with the KJ one, so you can fold it if you prefer.

A9o is huge here and you must push.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: $109s - Push or Fold PT IV

I would actually rather push the first one than the second.

In the first hand, the only stack that can call you with impunity is the SB. And your position is better in the first hand.

In the second hand, you have to go through all the bigstacks and people lower their calling standards in the face of an UTG push.

I don't know if folding the second one is bad, but I would push the first, fold the second. (At a higher buy-in, I suppose that I might have to push the 2nd as well since my opponents can not be counted on to make ridiculously stupid plays if I'm a little patient.)

Another way that I might be able to justify folding the 2nd is that you have significant FE if you get to open push from the SB to the player on your left.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: $109s - Push or Fold PT IV

fold KJ. a9 is close, but i think i fold. if your image were better, i'd push.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: $109s - Push or Fold PT IV

Believe it or not KJo is -$EV face-up here (not by much) and the A9o is +$EV to the tune of 0.6%, this even allowing for the short stack in the BB calling with 22+,A9+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,JTo
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: $109s - Push or Fold PT IV

I fold the first and push the second. A9o is quite strong when you only have ~6xBB and will be eating blinds.

Yugoslav
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:35 PM
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Default Re: $109s - Push or Fold PT IV

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Believe it or not KJo is -$EV face-up here (not by much) and the A9o is +$EV to the tune of 0.6%, this even allowing for the short stack in the BB calling with 22+,A9+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,JTo

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I think these calling ranges are faaaaar too wide. I'm pushing both and happy I did [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] 22-66??? How often do you see BB calling with those here? Sure, every once in a while, but not often. KT is out, KJ i have seen people call with a lot recently, but I still don't see it real often. I like A9+. Qx and Jx should be eliminated. Ironically enough, I was cold called by JTs last night, but, I think those need to be taken out. Put that calling range in, and I think you'll see both of these pushes are +$EV.

Also, I tend to notice that when you're being the table bully, people let you get away with it moreso than if you're pushing...say 3 times every 2 orbits. Every push just gives you that much more FE.
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: $109s - Push or Fold PT IV

This is why I said "face up". I agree, which is why when it's +EV face up, it can't fail to be face down, too.
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:42 PM
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oops [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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