I hate jacks

AtticusFinch · #1 08-24-2005, 02:38 AM

$109 SNG level 1 with jj, on button. All relevant players have roughly 1k. It's early, so no reads.

Folded to CO, who raises to 45. I repop to 100. SB calls, as does CO.

Flop: 348r

Checked to me, I bet 225. SB folds, CO pushes.

Call?

pearljam · #2 08-24-2005, 02:50 AM

yes, nines or tens are his most likely holding, I think.

Hendricks433 · #3 08-24-2005, 03:27 AM

Tough call but I fell like you have to. I dont play the $109's so I dont know what players push here. He might be just tying to push you off your hand with a couple bigs. Im too use to playing with total donks.

ChrisV · #4 08-24-2005, 04:23 AM

The reraise is the problem. I don't reraise with JJ at all in this situation. If you do, make it larger.

On the flop, you've gotta call. TT and 99 are very likely. KK and QQ not so likely. If he has 88 or AA, too bad.

AtticusFinch · #5 08-24-2005, 10:04 PM

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The reraise is the problem. I don't reraise with JJ at all in this situation. If you do, make it larger.

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Indeed. Seeing as villain turned over 44, a bigger reraise might well have saved my ass.

#6 08-24-2005, 10:08 PM

Wow, at the $109s dude bumped it 3xBB with 4s? I need build my bankroll ASAP.

AtticusFinch · #7 08-24-2005, 10:20 PM

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Wow, at the $109s dude bumped it 3xBB with 4s? I need build my bankroll ASAP.

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Yep. I'd say it can be OK sometimes from the CO, but damn, not on level 1. Sheesh.

gumpzilla · #8 08-24-2005, 10:58 PM

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Yep. I'd say it can be OK sometimes from the CO, but damn, not on level 1. Sheesh.

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I think his set (when he hits it) has a markedly higher chance of getting paid if he plays it this way rather than limping. If he limps and then check-pushes over a postflop pot-sized bet (which I think was too large, by the way) (EDIT: missed the third player. Oops. I like that better now that I realize it's 2/3 pot.), what are you going to put him on? At least this way you can include hyper-LAGgy AK type holdings in his range. Also, this way he doesn't overplay the 44 postflop when he misses.

Raising 44 all the time in that spot wouldn't be right, but as an occasional move I think it's fine.

AtticusFinch · #9 08-25-2005, 02:41 AM

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Yep. I'd say it can be OK sometimes from the CO, but damn, not on level 1. Sheesh.

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I think his set (when he hits it) has a markedly higher chance of getting paid if he plays it this way rather than limping. If he limps and then check-pushes over a postflop pot-sized bet (which I think was too large, by the way) (EDIT: missed the third player. Oops. I like that better now that I realize it's 2/3 pot.), what are you going to put him on? At least this way you can include hyper-LAGgy AK type holdings in his range. Also, this way he doesn't overplay the 44 postflop when he misses.

Raising 44 all the time in that spot wouldn't be right, but as an occasional move I think it's fine.

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Sure, I'd just save it for a little later, usually, when I have a little more FE to throw into the mix.

AtticusFinch · #10 08-25-2005, 02:42 AM

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I think I'm going to start doing it myself:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

MP1 (t1160)
Hero (t1055)
MP3 (t870)
CO (t1210)
Button (t915)
SB (t835)
BB (t2613)
UTG (t780)
UTG+1 (t562)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero calls t15, MP3 raises to t85, 3 folds, BB calls t70, Hero calls t70.

Flop: (t262.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t200, BB calls t785, BB calls t185.

Turn: (t1432.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)

River: (t1432.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)

Final Pot: t1432.50