Getting fancy.

suited_ace · #1 08-23-2005, 01:18 AM

OK, these are a few hands that got me thinking if doing something other then mucking could be a good idea. In all of them I had a good table image, but you know how those $10+1 players are...

1.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) converter

UTG (t770)
MP (t1155)
CO (t2170)
Button (t850)
Hero (t780)
BB (t2275)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t300, 3 folds, Hero ?

2.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter

MP (t1005)
Button (t235)
SB (t1110)
Hero (t855)
UTG (t4795)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, SB raises to t200, Hero ?

3.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

UTG (t2352)
Button (t1080)
SB (t3578)
Hero (t990)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Button raises to t400, 1 fold, Hero ?

#2 08-23-2005, 01:22 AM

IMHO you should have them covered to make these plays, and a comfortable stack to fall back on. In higher stakes, people will be more suspicious of a bluff in the cases I'm suggesting, but not in the 11s I think.

bigt439 · #3 08-23-2005, 01:24 AM

To me one looks read dependant, but it's close I think. I probably push. Two is a clear push. Three looks to be a fold, because you're getting called alot.

Mr_J · #4 08-23-2005, 01:29 AM

You want FE in all of these pushes. You have alot in 2, but not much in 1 or 3.

stupidsucker · #5 08-23-2005, 01:30 AM

1. semi read dependant. Will the BB be 200 before it gets to you? more often then not I think this is a muck. BB is going to call his minraise a lot and stuff happens...

2. Push

3. Fold

suited_ace · #6 08-23-2005, 01:35 AM

1. Yes, next BB will be 200 to me.

3. Isn't calling and pushing any flop an option here?

lastchance · #7 08-23-2005, 01:49 AM

I think I'm all-in over the top in all first 2 hands, fold hand 3.

Hand 3 is the closest I think. 5x BB, Button minraise could mean a lot of things, J9 really isn't good, you may not have FE. So I fold.

If Big Stack will fold his BB in hand 3, you can get other guy to laydown 2.5:1 odds, with lousy overs. I think I like the stop and go there.

suited_ace · #8 08-23-2005, 01:57 AM

OK, so before I go to bed, this is what happened in each hand (heh, I didn't fold any of these). I'd like your comments on each one.

1. Called and so did the BB. The flop came 4K6, I pushed. I *really* didn't like my move after I did it - thought it was a sign of tilt, my day was kinda nasty today.

2. Pushed back and got insta-called by ATo.

3. Went for a stop and go. The flop came 9-high and I got called by AKo.

lastchance · #9 08-23-2005, 02:02 AM

By what I meant about Big stack folding BB in hand 3 was meant to be applied to hand 1. :/

I think you got to take gambles there.

Hand 3 is also a bit read-dependent, but about same amount of BB, and 88 is kinda much better than J9.