I always seem to bust here. Bad Push?

Hendricks433 · #1 08-22-2005, 05:28 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (5 handed) converter

BB (t2645)
UTG (t4310)
MP (t2485)
Button (t2635)
Hero (t1425)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t1400, BB calls t1000.

Flop: (t2500) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t2500) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t2500) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t2500

bigt439 · #2 08-22-2005, 06:02 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (5 handed) converter

BB (t2645)
UTG (t4310)
MP (t2485)
Button (t2635)
Hero (t1425)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t1400, BB calls t1000.

Flop: (t2500) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t2500) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t2500) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t2500

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It would be a terrible fold.

elcheapo · #3 08-22-2005, 06:07 PM

Yeah unless you can eliminate your opponent its not a good idea to push crap into a person getting 2-1.

bigt439 · #4 08-22-2005, 06:22 PM

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Yeah unless you can eliminate your opponent its not a good idea to push crap into a person getting 2-1.

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You need to be making this push to be successful.

playtitleist · #5 08-22-2005, 06:30 PM

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You need to be making this push to be successful.

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That is rather ultimate. Please explain.

elcheapo · #6 08-22-2005, 06:40 PM

don't agree, odds are too good for his opponent. Its an easy call with 10-8+. If I had J or Q high I would push, but not 8 high.

PokerProdigy · #7 08-22-2005, 06:41 PM

It's a close/marginal decision and is very dependent on your read of the BB. If he's loose then fold, if he's tight then push. If you don't have a read (or want to know what I consider the "standard play") it would be a fold because you can forfeit your SB here (in my opinion) and still be ok, because you'll still have about 1400 and you can get a better hand and push then.

DownLow · #8 08-22-2005, 06:52 PM

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you can forfeit your SB here (in my opinion) and still be ok, because you'll still have about 1400 and you can get a better hand and push then.

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Looks to me like he'll actually have 1225 if he folds, which is only 3 BBs. I think this is certainly a push with any 2 hand, you already have nearly no FE. If you fold this hand and push the next, the BB is getting 2.5 to 1 odds on calling. If you push this hand now, the BB is only getting 2 to 1. At these blinds and antes a stack your size has to stay very aggressive or you will just be blinded out.

bigt439 · #9 08-22-2005, 07:16 PM

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You need to be making this push to be successful.

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That is rather ultimate. Please explain.

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Haha yeah it was wasn't it? Sounded like something God would say. Whoops. My point is that the BB is putting in 2.5 bb's or half his stack to make the call. You have a lot of FE. And if you're called you have alot of equity there anyways. You need to do something and this is a good place to start.

valenzuela · #10 08-22-2005, 08:12 PM

My impresion is that neither of the options is a terrible play.