Very tough 11's hand

ClaytonN · #1 08-21-2005, 02:17 PM

Prob the 2nd hand of the SNG. Please examine my flop call of the second raise, and the turn fold:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 (t755)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t960)
CO (t875)
Button (t715)
SB (t785)
BB (t755)
UTG (t800)
Hero (t800)
UTG+2 (t755)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, Hero calls t15, UTG+2 calls t15, 4 folds, Button calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t87.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets t45, Hero raises to t125, UTG+2 folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG raises to t300, Hero calls t175.

Turn: (t687.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG pushes, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t687.50

axeshigh · #2 08-21-2005, 02:21 PM

Push the flop after the second raise. Sure, he may have the straight but you still have 7 outs on the turn and 10 on the river if that's the case.

Given how you played it, I think you still have to call the push. Investing half your stack on the flop and folding the turn is horrible.

durron597 · #3 08-21-2005, 02:27 PM

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Push the flop after the second raise. Sure, he may have the straight but you still have 7 outs on the turn and 10 on the river if that's the case.

Given how you played it, I think you still have to call the push. Investing half your stack on the flop and folding the turn is horrible.

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ChoicestHops · #4 08-21-2005, 02:30 PM

Hate the situation, but I'd all in instead of calling his re-raise to 300 on the flop.

45suited · #5 08-21-2005, 02:31 PM

Dude, you have to push after UTG re-raises the flop. Way too much money in the pot at that point to not go all-in.

And no way am I folding the turn. Not pushing the flop was inexcusable. Way too cute.

This is not a tough hand at all. Push after the flop re-raise. Don't fold the turn.

yabastid · #6 08-21-2005, 02:45 PM

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Dude, you have to push after UTG re-raises the flop. Way too much money in the pot at that point to not go all-in.

And no way am I folding the turn. Not pushing the flop was inexcusable. Way too cute.

This is not a tough hand at all. Push after the flop re-raise. Don't fold the turn.

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gumpzilla · #7 08-21-2005, 02:48 PM

I'll pile on as well. What are you hoping to accomplish by not getting it in on the flop? The answer better involve getting the rest of your opponent's chips in. You cannot fear 76 and A2 here, top set is just too good. Your opponent can easily be making this play with 33,44, or JJ, which some people will limp with UTG. You can't fold, and your opponent has shown such strong interest that you're fine just pushing the flop and expecting a call.

11t · #8 08-21-2005, 02:52 PM

I push the flop 100% of the time after the 3-bet.

I'd call the turn too. You really think he has a 6?

GtrHtr · #9 08-21-2005, 05:07 PM

PUSH THE FLOP!!! Damn Clayton.

Go Dawgs!

mosdef · #10 08-21-2005, 05:35 PM

Like everybody else has said, you should push that flop with the expectation of being called 99% or more of the time and being ahead 95% or more of the time.

that being said, your call-fold the turn makes no sense. i don't see him lead-reraising a straight draw on the flop. if you thought he had a made straight on the flop, calling his raise then makes no sense. if you think he has an overpair or a lower set, and you want to extract value, the only way you would want out of the hand on the turn is if he had 77. it seems like you panicked at the turn when he shoved, like you didn't think it could possibly be a bluff. i don't buy that.