Common situation, tricky decision, 30+3

[mwgoblue]

I think this is one of those situations where there are valid arguments for either side, fold or push that is. I really don't like calling. What about raising to 150 and calling any push? I'm leaning towards a push however, thoughts? Hero is UTG.


50/100 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14932202) - Wed Aug 17 21:52:13 EDT 2005
Table Table 12877 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: RockHolly (1650)
Seat 3: dianaqueen (560)
Seat 4: nathwest (505)
Seat 7: bumfish2 (1490)
Seat 8: dg052746 (2070)
Seat 9: MCoansh (1070)
Seat 10: mw_goblue (655)
dg052746 posts small blind (25)
MCoansh posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mw_goblue [ 9h, 9c ]
hero ?

[AlcateL]

I'm not comfortable with laying this down with your chip stack. I push

[AlcateL]

however this is a very tricky decision in my opinion. I'd love to hear what a more skillful player has to say.

[brimstone1]

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I'm not comfortable with laying this down with your chip stack. I push

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Uh... 655 at 25/50, UTG?

Am I missing something here?

This isn't a push, at least not in my book.

[bluefeet]

uncommon line:
- limp
- if you get a raise of 3x or less, PUSH
- > 3x....fold

you JUST might get to 'play for set' if it limps around (or push on an undercard flop). a minraise or 3x, just might buckle to the limp/push from UTG (still have some FE) -- if you go to the felt, you have a decent hand.

[octaveshift]

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uncommon line:
- limp
- if you get a raise of 3x or less, PUSH
- > 3x....fold

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I actually like this line quite a bit because you eliminate the positional concerns, and can't be outplayed post flop.

nh.

[mwgoblue]

The old me folds this pretty easily, but I'm beginning to think it's way too weak. I hate to throw away a hand that good, and then later when the blinds get big, push my button with a low stack and get snapped off. Curious what the experts think.

[octaveshift]

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The old me folds this pretty easily, but I'm beginning to think it's way too weak. I hate to throw away a hand that good, and then later when the blinds get big, push my button with a low stack and get snapped off. Curious what the experts think.

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I think 77- would be the cutoff for me in this spot. (IE- Anything less than 88, and I am probably folding.)

It depends on when the blinds are jumping, and the table texture up until that point.

My main concern with the hand is that we are playing it out of position. So the question is: "How do I get sorely needed value out of this hand, while out of position and short on chips?"

I think Bluefeet's line answers the question.

[mlagoo]

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uncommon line:
- limp
- if you get a raise of 3x or less, PUSH
- > 3x....fold

you JUST might get to 'play for set' if it limps around (or push on an undercard flop). a minraise or 3x, just might buckle to the limp/push from UTG (still have some FE) -- if you go to the felt, you have a decent hand.

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i limp/push with this hand probably more than 50% of the time, and will do it 100% of the time if i have noticed the raiser to be fairly laggy.

i think its a great way to either play for set/undercard value for cheap, or to get to a showdown against a bad player without having to play postflop OOP.

[jgunnip]

I REALLY don't like pushing into six players here. I pass this one up.