For once I'm confused on the SB. Give me a better line. (33 hand)

[Slim Pickens]

OK, I realize this is probably obvious, but I'm really torn here between making a standard raise to about 450 or pushing. It's right on the "10 BB" threshold. My opponent has been tight so far. The flop gets really interesting because I actually picked the worst possible preflop move. I'll post that later.

Party Poker No-Limit $30+3 Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) converter

CO (t840)
Button (t730)
Hero (t1750)
BB (t1450)
UTG (t1295)
MP (t1935)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero ???

[Karak567]

Yeah but villain is under 10x BB, I poooosh it.

[HighestCard]

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Yeah but villain is under 10x BB, I poooosh it.


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Why give villain, A. an easy call with a pp or ace x, or B. a nice 60/40 that would cripple slim C. a very easy fold.

I'm thinking of a t400 raise here, folding to a push by villain. It lets villain know you have something, without giving the apperance your trying to steal IMO.

[bluefeet]

[img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] reminds me of this one.

too good of hand to complete, too expensive to proceed post-flop on a whiff - border-line pushable.

i'm wondering how terrible completing is...playing the flop out of position (with a well disquised draw hand like this?)

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Isura]

I either raise to 375, minraise, or complete depending on the opponent. I usually don't push though.

[Karak567]

If he pushes you are getting nearly 2-1 to call.

Really think you can fold there?

[Irieguy]

If the BB is at all reasonable, this is an easy push. You have to push instead of raising another amount because of his stack size. Since he would probably come over the top of you with a slightly wider range than he would call a push with, you maintain slightly more FE by pushing.

If the BB is loose but wouldn't push against a limp with a wide range, and everybody else is a donk... you can complete here and see a flop without doing any damage to yourself.

If the BB is LAGy I would just let it go and wait a bit for the blinds to increase and the chip dynamics to change in such a way that the decisions are more cut and dried.

I don't see any way I would ever raise less than all in here, though.

Irieguy

[FlyWf]

Why give him 400 chips like that(he'll push with more than he'll call with)? Either put him allin or fold.

Betting 400 is begging for a reraise that you can't confidently call. The sub-allin raise is something I might try with QQ to induce a bluff, but KJs is not a hand that crushes anybody preflop.

[Moonsugar]

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If the BB is at all reasonable, this is an easy push. You have to push instead of raising another amount because of his stack size. Since he would probably come over the top of you with a slightly wider range than he would call a push with, you maintain slightly more FE by pushing.

If the BB is loose but wouldn't push against a limp with a wide range, and everybody else is a donk... you can complete here and see a flop without doing any damage to yourself.

If the BB is LAGy I would just let it go and wait a bit for the blinds to increase and the chip dynamics to change in such a way that the decisions are more cut and dried.

I don't see any way I would ever raise less than all in here, though.

Irieguy

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[Seth Money]

I agree with Irie, the play back factor comes to my mind if you did the standard raise and make it 450. I would rather be the one making the move then getting moved in on. It all depends on the player and his tendencies but I would rather push here then not

Seth