Help me figure out why I lose money with JJ. (Long.)

[octaveshift]

Using Poker Office to review my stats, I recently discovered that JJ has been one of my most losing hands. I have tried to correct for this by becoming stupidly weak/tight with Jacks.

OK, here are a bunch of my JJ hands prior to my line change JJ. I removed some results because I thought they would interfere with the discussion.

Anything jumping out as a problem? If something seems goofy, give me a chance to explain. (The last hand, for example.)


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#Game No : 2448557376
***** Hand History for Game 2448557376 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14388262 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Saturday, July 30, 11:15:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 16929 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $1645 )
Seat 5: i12play ( $1060 )
Seat 7: crenshaw413 ( $965 )
Seat 4: Joweezy ( $1995 )
Seat 3: bkoosh ( $975 )
Seat 1: pauillac ( $2195 )
Seat 2: wheatmeal ( $1165 )
Trny:14388262 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jd Jc ]
pauillac folds.
wheatmeal folds.
bkoosh folds.
Joweezy folds.
i12play folds.
crenshaw413 calls [15].
xyrophobic raises [70].
crenshaw413 folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards.
xyrophobic wins 130 chips

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#Game No : 2513148794
***** Hand History for Game 2513148794 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14724998 Level:8 Blinds(200/400) - Wednesday, August 10, 20:33:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 14105 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: rdjsteelers ( $1910 )
Seat 3: lucky_duc ( $2090 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $4000 )
Trny:14724998 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jd Js ]
rdjsteelers folds.
lucky_duc folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards.
xyrophobic wins 600 chips
Game #2513149844 starts.


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#Game No : 2513124681
***** Hand History for Game 2513124681 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14724998 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Wednesday, August 10, 20:29:35 EDT 2005
Table Table 14105 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: rdjsteelers ( $1395 )
Seat 3: lucky_duc ( $2605 )
Seat 6: whitesqualls ( $1720 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $2280 )
Trny:14724998 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jd Js ]
rdjsteelers folds.
lucky_duc folds.
whitesqualls is all-In [1620]
xyrophobic calls [1520].


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#Game No : 2446024765
***** Hand History for Game 2446024765 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14373739 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Friday, July 29, 22:39:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 16929 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 5: TheLage ( $1113 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $4587 )
Seat 7: paparia ( $2470 )
Seat 4: fractals ( $1830 )
Trny:14373739 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Js Jc ]
TheLage is all-In [1113]
paparia folds.
xyrophobic is all-In [4437]
fractals folds.


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#Game No : 2445779528
***** Hand History for Game 2445779528 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14373739 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Friday, July 29, 21:56:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 16929 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: QUEEN_pokerA ( $805 )
Seat 5: TheLage ( $1640 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $710 )
Seat 7: paparia ( $975 )
Seat 10: xins0mx ( $1325 )
Seat 6: blinky1 ( $1995 )
Seat 8: sauteu22 ( $385 )
Seat 4: fractals ( $1190 )
Seat 2: MrSugarman ( $975 )
Trny:14373739 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Js Jd ]
QUEEN_pokerA raises [80].
MrSugarman folds.
fractals folds.
TheLage folds.
blinky1 folds.
paparia folds.
sauteu22 folds.
xyrophobic calls [65].
xins0mx folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 4s, 7h ]
xyrophobic bets [175].
QUEEN_pokerA folds.


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#Game No : 2380652854
***** Hand History for Game 2380652854 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14025286 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Sunday, July 17, 19:44:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 12904 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $970 )
Seat 7: maverick189 ( $395 )
Seat 2: chckfldsAA ( $1115 )
Seat 4: DongDangDing ( $1055 )
Seat 5: MrsColumbo ( $575 )
Seat 3: k11a46 ( $1770 )
Seat 6: helie_lee ( $1740 )
Seat 10: heathergray ( $835 )
Seat 1: DOC4FACE ( $1200 )
Seat 8: PATS_FAN05 ( $345 )
Trny:14025286 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Js Jd ]
k11a46 folds.
DongDangDing folds.
MrsColumbo folds.
helie_lee folds.
maverick189 folds.
PATS_FAN05 folds.
xyrophobic raises [200].
heathergray folds.
DOC4FACE folds.
chckfldsAA folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards.
xyrophobic wins 275 chips


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#Game No : 2487321292
***** Hand History for Game 2487321292 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14593574 Level:8 Blinds(200/400) - Saturday, August 06, 10:51:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 35131 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $5699 )
Seat 1: SLAMPIGGERY ( $2301 )
Trny:14593574 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jc Jd ]
xyrophobic calls [200].
SLAMPIGGERY checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8s, 6s ]
SLAMPIGGERY is all-In [1901]
xyrophobic calls [1901]


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#Game No : 2535873772
***** Hand History for Game 2535873772 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14842871 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Sunday, August 14, 19:57:22 EDT 2005
Table Table 22368 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: yossarian96 ( $1290 )
Seat 2: billyclaude ( $620 )
Seat 3: pimp_daddy48 ( $2063 )
Seat 6: coyote2004 ( $1062 )
Seat 9: aq11180 ( $2760 )
Seat 8: xyrophobic ( $2205 )
Trny:14842871 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jd Js ]
billyclaude folds.
pimp_daddy48 folds.
coyote2004 folds.
xyrophobic raises [300].
aq11180 folds.
yossarian96 folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards.
xyrophobic wins 450 chips

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#Game No : 2402072259
***** Hand History for Game 2402072259 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14137892 Level:9 Blinds(250/500) - Thursday, July 21, 22:04:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 14039 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $3760 )
Seat 8: CHOMPTHESE ( $2910 )
Seat 1: NavyDave06 ( $3330 )
Trny:14137892 Level:9
Blinds(250/500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jc Jh ]
xyrophobic is all-In [3760]
NavyDave06 folds.
CHOMPTHESE folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards
xyrophobic wins 4510 chips


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#Game No : 2401977798
***** Hand History for Game 2401977798 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14137892 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, July 21, 21:49:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 14039 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: jpg82 ( $1750 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $1400 )
Seat 8: CHOMPTHESE ( $2695 )
Seat 5: Hermes2004 ( $1700 )
Seat 10: AllInLuckBox ( $1110 )
Seat 1: NavyDave06 ( $1345 )
Trny:14137892 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jc Js ]
CHOMPTHESE raises [400].
jpg82: scared of the set
xyrophobic is all-In [1400]
AllInLuckBox folds.
NavyDave06 folds.
jpg82 folds.
Hermes2004 folds.
CHOMPTHESE folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards
xyrophobic wins 2100 chips

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#Game No : 2401736974
***** Hand History for Game 2401736974 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14137892 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, July 21, 21:09:28 EDT 2005
Table Table 14039 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: menace03 ( $1000 )
Seat 3: jpg82 ( $1000 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $985 )
Seat 8: CHOMPTHESE ( $1045 )
Seat 5: Hermes2004 ( $1000 )
Seat 2: insanefish ( $1000 )
Seat 10: AllInLuckBox ( $1000 )
Seat 1: NavyDave06 ( $1000 )
Seat 6: Philly0782 ( $1000 )
Seat 7: Fog_0 ( $970 )
Trny:14137892 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jc Js ]
NavyDave06 folds.
insanefish raises [45].
jpg82 folds.
menace03 folds.
Hermes2004 folds.
Philly0782 folds.
Fog_0 folds.
CHOMPTHESE calls [45].
xyrophobic raises [115].
AllInLuckBox folds.
insanefish calls [80].
CHOMPTHESE folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 7h, Td ]
xyrophobic bets [225].
insanefish folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards.
xyrophobic wins 535 chips

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#Game No : 2424621695
***** Hand History for Game 2424621695 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14260398 Level:9 Blinds(250/500) - Monday, July 25, 22:44:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 12864 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $5930 )
Seat 4: Rtim_60 ( $2150 )
Seat 2: Dadynedsacar ( $1920 )
Trny:14260398 Level:9
Blinds(250/500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jd Jh ]
xyrophobic is all-In [5930]
Dadynedsacar folds.
Rtim_60 folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards.
xyrophobic wins 6680 chips

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#Game No : 2524752295
***** Hand History for Game 2524752295 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14783452 Level:8 Blinds(200/400) - Friday, August 12, 21:39:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 12165 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 5: GOMDTERPS ( $909 )
Seat 6: CROCKETT777 ( $902 )
Seat 10: pkrfang ( $2546 )
Seat 1: MrEarp ( $2392 )
Seat 2: xyrophobic ( $3251 )
Trny:14783452 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jh Js ]
pkrfang folds.
MrEarp folds.
xyrophobic is all-In [3251]
GOMDTERPS folds.
CROCKETT777 is all-In [502]


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#Game No : 2450366877
***** Hand History for Game 2450366877 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14398169 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Saturday, July 30, 18:18:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 12122 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: ReeLMunsoN ( $785 )
Seat 2: DrGrimes ( $1010 )
Seat 3: samirm ( $475 )
Seat 8: sushi_ ( $1225 )
Seat 10: WagmaN404 ( $1750 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $780 )
Seat 7: RekaSyka7 ( $885 )
Seat 5: leaklessphis ( $1595 )
Seat 4: MOB_Guy ( $1495 )
Trny:14398169 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Js Jc ]
sushi_ calls [50].
xyrophobic raises [200].
WagmaN404 folds.
ReeLMunsoN folds.
DrGrimes folds.
samirm folds.
MOB_Guy folds.
leaklessphis folds.
RekaSyka7 folds.
sushi_ folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards.
xyrophobic wins 325 chips

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#Game No : 2450279443
***** Hand History for Game 2450279443 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14398169 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, July 30, 18:01:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 12122 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ReeLMunsoN ( $775 )
Seat 2: DrGrimes ( $925 )
Seat 3: samirm ( $790 )
Seat 8: sushi_ ( $970 )
Seat 10: WagmaN404 ( $2025 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $675 )
Seat 7: RekaSyka7 ( $975 )
Seat 6: puzzlearm ( $585 )
Seat 5: leaklessphis ( $975 )
Seat 4: MOB_Guy ( $1305 )
Trny:14398169 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jd Js ]
ReeLMunsoN calls [15].
DrGrimes folds.
samirm calls [15].
MOB_Guy calls [15].
leaklessphis calls [15].
puzzlearm folds.
RekaSyka7 folds.
sushi_ folds.
xyrophobic raises [100]
WagmaN404 folds.
ReeLMunsoN folds.
samirm folds.
MOB_Guy folds.
leaklessphis folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards.
xyrophobic wins 750 chips
Game #2450289564 starts.

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#Game No : 2445688726
***** Hand History for Game 2445688726 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:14368852 Level:10 Blinds (300/600) - Friday, July 29, 21:40:30 EDT 2005
Table $1000 Daily Guaranteed(405443) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: virish10 ( $32219 )
Seat 3: Buck000 ( $8544 )
Seat 5: kennft ( $4336 )
Seat 6: Alterego23 ( $11902 )
Seat 7: xyrophobic ( $8845 )
Seat 10: magic1957 ( $4167 )
Seat 1: ryry27 ( $9652 )
Trny:14368852 Level:10
Blinds (300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Js Jd ]
Buck000 folds.
kennft folds.
Alterego23 calls [600].
xyrophobic is all-In [8845]
magic1957 folds.
ryry27 is all-In [9352]


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#Game No : 2541400156
***** Hand History for Game 2541400156 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14871893 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Monday, August 15, 20:16:45 EDT 2005
Table Table 13821 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 7: arod1582 ( $1445 )
Seat 2: Msbear69 ( $1405 )
Seat 10: x15qa ( $685 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $800 )
Seat 5: Phil___ ( $775 )
Seat 4: jmchaplain1 ( $610 )
Seat 3: huachonieto ( $735 )
Seat 8: frignstud4 ( $770 )
Seat 6: crofty68 ( $775 )
Trny:14871893 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jc Jd ]
x15qa folds.
Msbear69 folds.
huachonieto folds.
jmchaplain1 calls [15].
Phil___ folds.
crofty68 calls [15].
arod1582 folds.
frignstud4 calls [5].
xyrophobic checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 2h, Js ]
frignstud4 checks.
xyrophobic checks.
jmchaplain1 bets [15].
crofty68 folds.
frignstud4 folds.
xyrophobic calls [15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
xyrophobic checks.
jmchaplain1 bets [80].
xyrophobic calls [80].
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
xyrophobic bets [70].
jmchaplain1 calls [70].
xyrophobic shows [ Jc, Jd ] a full house, Jacks full of twos.
jmchaplain1 doesn't show [ Ah, 4s ] two pairs, aces and twos.
xyrophobic wins 390 chips from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of twos.

[45suited]

I C/R this flop almost 100% of the time. Why not let him C bet here?


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#Game No : 2445779528
***** Hand History for Game 2445779528 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14373739 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Friday, July 29, 21:56:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 16929 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: QUEEN_pokerA ( $805 )
Seat 5: TheLage ( $1640 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $710 )
Seat 7: paparia ( $975 )
Seat 10: xins0mx ( $1325 )
Seat 6: blinky1 ( $1995 )
Seat 8: sauteu22 ( $385 )
Seat 4: fractals ( $1190 )
Seat 2: MrSugarman ( $975 )
Trny:14373739 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Js Jd ]
QUEEN_pokerA raises [80].
MrSugarman folds.
fractals folds.
TheLage folds.
blinky1 folds.
paparia folds.
sauteu22 folds.
xyrophobic calls [65].
xins0mx folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 4s, 7h ]
xyrophobic bets [175].
QUEEN_pokerA folds.

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I take it that you were certain that your opponent would raise if you just called? With the blinds this huge, I raise pre-flop here. JJ is very strong heads up, but I don't like calling unless I'm certain villain will raise. You've probably been raising alot anyway, why not just raise again here?

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#Game No : 2487321292
***** Hand History for Game 2487321292 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14593574 Level:8 Blinds(200/400) - Saturday, August 06, 10:51:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 35131 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $5699 )
Seat 1: SLAMPIGGERY ( $2301 )
Trny:14593574 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jc Jd ]
xyrophobic calls [200].
SLAMPIGGERY checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8s, 6s ]
SLAMPIGGERY is all-In [1901]
xyrophobic calls [1901]

[/ QUOTE ]


Here, I would have just called and not re-opened the betting. But I like leading out here given that you re-raised pre-flop.


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#Game No : 2401736974
***** Hand History for Game 2401736974 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14137892 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, July 21, 21:09:28 EDT 2005
Table Table 14039 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: menace03 ( $1000 )
Seat 3: jpg82 ( $1000 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $985 )
Seat 8: CHOMPTHESE ( $1045 )
Seat 5: Hermes2004 ( $1000 )
Seat 2: insanefish ( $1000 )
Seat 10: AllInLuckBox ( $1000 )
Seat 1: NavyDave06 ( $1000 )
Seat 6: Philly0782 ( $1000 )
Seat 7: Fog_0 ( $970 )
Trny:14137892 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jc Js ]
NavyDave06 folds.
insanefish raises [45].
jpg82 folds.
menace03 folds.
Hermes2004 folds.
Philly0782 folds.
Fog_0 folds.
CHOMPTHESE calls [45].
xyrophobic raises [115].
AllInLuckBox folds.
insanefish calls [80].
CHOMPTHESE folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 7h, Td ]
xyrophobic bets [225].
insanefish folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards.
xyrophobic wins 535 chips

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I don't understand your tiny river bet here. If he has an ace, you're probably going to stack him. Why bet so small?

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#Game No : 2541400156
***** Hand History for Game 2541400156 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14871893 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Monday, August 15, 20:16:45 EDT 2005
Table Table 13821 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 7: arod1582 ( $1445 )
Seat 2: Msbear69 ( $1405 )
Seat 10: x15qa ( $685 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $800 )
Seat 5: Phil___ ( $775 )
Seat 4: jmchaplain1 ( $610 )
Seat 3: huachonieto ( $735 )
Seat 8: frignstud4 ( $770 )
Seat 6: crofty68 ( $775 )
Trny:14871893 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jc Jd ]
x15qa folds.
Msbear69 folds.
huachonieto folds.
jmchaplain1 calls [15].
Phil___ folds.
crofty68 calls [15].
arod1582 folds.
frignstud4 calls [5].
xyrophobic checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 2h, Js ]
frignstud4 checks.
xyrophobic checks.
jmchaplain1 bets [15].
crofty68 folds.
frignstud4 folds.
xyrophobic calls [15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
xyrophobic checks.
jmchaplain1 bets [80].
xyrophobic calls [80].
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
xyrophobic bets [70].
jmchaplain1 calls [70].
xyrophobic shows [ Jc, Jd ] a full house, Jacks full of twos.
jmchaplain1 doesn't show [ Ah, 4s ] two pairs, aces and twos.
xyrophobic wins 390 chips from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of twos.

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Overall, I like the way you played JJ. You played them very aggressively, as they should be IMO.

This hand is tough... my line here is to tell them in chat that you're not holding a face pair and hope they don't fold to your bb. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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#Game No : 2513148794
***** Hand History for Game 2513148794 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14724998 Level:8 Blinds(200/400) - Wednesday, August 10, 20:33:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 14105 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: rdjsteelers ( $1910 )
Seat 3: lucky_duc ( $2090 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $4000 )
Trny:14724998 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Jd Js ]
rdjsteelers folds.
lucky_duc folds.
xyrophobic does not show cards.
xyrophobic wins 600 chips
Game #2513149844 starts.

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[ QUOTE ]
This hand is tough... my line here is to tell them in chat that you're not holding a face pair and hope they don't fold to your bb. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


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LOL. I thought I deleted that.

[bjb23]

overall, i agree with 45's analyses here.

what jumped out at me when i went over these was the jj in the hu hand. what was your thought process here? i think it is a big mistake to slow play this hand.

and yes, on the full house hand you should bet more on the river.

overall, im not seing where it could be that you lost a lot of equity with jj in general. were you leaving the terribly played hands out or something?

(note: for future reference, maybe numbering the hands would make them easier to comment on)

[octaveshift]

[ QUOTE ]

overall, im not seing where it could be that you lost a lot of equity with jj in general. were you leaving the terribly played hands out or something?

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Not at all. These were taken from my last 20 games or so.

I posted my horrible JJ PF fold in a previous thread. I am not afraid of looking like a bonehead.

[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

And good idea about numbering the hands. I will do it now!

[octaveshift]

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I C/R this flop almost 100% of the time. Why not let him C bet here?


#Game No : 2445779528
***** Hand History for Game 2445779528 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14373739 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Friday, July 29, 21:56:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 16929 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: QUEEN_pokerA ( $805 )
Seat 5: TheLage ( $1640 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $710 )
Seat 7: paparia ( $975 )
Seat 10: xins0mx ( $1325 )
Seat 6: blinky1 ( $1995 )
Seat 8: sauteu22 ( $385 )
Seat 4: fractals ( $1190 )
Seat 2: MrSugarman ( $975 )
Trny:14373739 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Js Jd ]
QUEEN_pokerA raises [80].
MrSugarman folds.
fractals folds.
TheLage folds.
blinky1 folds.
paparia folds.
sauteu22 folds.
xyrophobic calls [65].
xins0mx folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 4s, 7h ]
xyrophobic bets [175].
QUEEN_pokerA folds.

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I hate giving free cards. I don't want him checking behind and then seeing another spade fall off.

You raise a good point about letting him C-bet though. Thanks.

[bjb23]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I C/R this flop almost 100% of the time. Why not let him C bet here?


#Game No : 2445779528
***** Hand History for Game 2445779528 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14373739 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Friday, July 29, 21:56:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 16929 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: QUEEN_pokerA ( $805 )
Seat 5: TheLage ( $1640 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $710 )
Seat 7: paparia ( $975 )
Seat 10: xins0mx ( $1325 )
Seat 6: blinky1 ( $1995 )
Seat 8: sauteu22 ( $385 )
Seat 4: fractals ( $1190 )
Seat 2: MrSugarman ( $975 )
Trny:14373739 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Js Jd ]
QUEEN_pokerA raises [80].
MrSugarman folds.
fractals folds.
TheLage folds.
blinky1 folds.
paparia folds.
sauteu22 folds.
xyrophobic calls [65].
xins0mx folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 4s, 7h ]
xyrophobic bets [175].
QUEEN_pokerA folds.

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I hate giving free cards. I don't want him checking behind and then seeing another spade fall off.

You raise a good point about letting him C-bet though. Thanks.

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yeah, i hate giving free cards in this spot here too. often times in this spot ill just randomly fire without thinking because i know im vulnerable and want to take it down right away. the point is, that i try to get myself to stop and think about my opponent since this situation is entirely dependent on the probability of him/her firing a cbet.

with absolutely no reads, i think your play is standard for me.

[45suited]

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I C/R this flop almost 100% of the time. Why not let him C bet here?






#Game No : 2445779528
***** Hand History for Game 2445779528 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14373739 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Friday, July 29, 21:56:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 16929 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: QUEEN_pokerA ( $805 )
Seat 5: TheLage ( $1640 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $710 )
Seat 7: paparia ( $975 )
Seat 10: xins0mx ( $1325 )
Seat 6: blinky1 ( $1995 )
Seat 8: sauteu22 ( $385 )
Seat 4: fractals ( $1190 )
Seat 2: MrSugarman ( $975 )
Trny:14373739 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ Js Jd ]
QUEEN_pokerA raises [80].
MrSugarman folds.
fractals folds.
TheLage folds.
blinky1 folds.
paparia folds.
sauteu22 folds.
xyrophobic calls [65].
xins0mx folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 4s, 7h ]
xyrophobic bets [175].
QUEEN_pokerA folds.

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[ QUOTE ]
I hate giving free cards. I don't want him checking behind and then seeing another spade fall off.

You raise a good point about letting him C-bet though. Thanks.

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I know what you're saying but there's absolutely no reason to put your opponent on spades here. Heads-up, I think that most opponents will C-bet in his position anyway. But you have the J of spades, so it wouldn't be a complete disaster if another spade fell. I'm not particularly worried about a heads up opponent having two of a suit just because the flop is two suited.

[octaveshift]

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I'm not particularly worried about a heads up opponent having two of a suit just because the flop is two suited.

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Valid point. The ole' monster under the bed again.