Folded K-K preflop in a 20-2

[A_Junglen]

***** Hand History for Game 2537755834 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14853103 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Monday, August 15, 01:11:38 EDT 2005
Table Table 13834 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: bill26urb ( $1450 )
Seat 2: Steady66 ( $1270 )
Seat 4: speed2266 ( $325 )
Seat 7: A_Junglen ( $1335 )
Seat 9: hordnurmoney ( $980 )
Seat 10: bobrich ( $2640 )
Trny:14853103 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to A_Junglen [ Kc Kd ]
speed2266 calls [100].
A_Junglen raises [400].
hordnurmoney raises [700].
>You have options at Table 13998 Table!.
bobrich folds.
bill26urb is all-In [1400]
Steady66 folds.
speed2266 folds.
A_Junglen folds.
hordnurmoney is all-In [280]
>You have options at Table 13998 Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 7d, Jh ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
A_Junglen: folded KK
hordnurmoney shows [ Qs, Qd ] three of a kind, queens.
bill26urb shows [ Ad, Ac ] a pair of aces.
bill26urb wins 470 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
hordnurmoney wins 2560 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.


Ended up winning, but that's besides the point. Anyone else fold that in this spot?

[lastchance]

I'm thinking about pushing preflop initially.

And there's no way in hell I'm folding KK there.

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And there's no way in hell I'm folding KK there.

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unless you have a 100% read that he has AA, so in other words...

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And there's no way in hell I'm folding KK there.

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[Shillx]

This is a really bad fold dude. It isn't like you have 100 BB behind...you have 13! Get in there and mix it up.

Brad

[A_Junglen]

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This is a really bad fold dude. It isn't like you have 100 BB behind...you have 13! Get in there and mix it up.

Brad

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I honestly thought it was while pressing the fold button, thought it was better after seeing A-A, and thought it was bad after. I honestly thought they had A-A, and I felt I could still win with the chips i had left...both of which happened. I'm still very unsure of the fold though...i dunno...I probably sound like some sort of "pokerbrat" right about now.. whoops.

[freemoney]

learn math, youll realize how very very bad this fold is.

[freemoney]

***** Hand History for Game 2537755834 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14853103 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Monday, August 15, 01:11:38 EDT 2005
Table Table 13834 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: bill26urb ( $1450 )
Seat 2: Steady66 ( $1270 )
Seat 4: speed2266 ( $325 )
Seat 7: A_Junglen ( $1335 )
Seat 9: hordnurmoney ( $980 )
Seat 10: bobrich ( $2640 )
Trny:14853103 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to A_Junglen [ Kc Kd ]
speed2266 calls [100].
A_Junglen raises [400].
hordnurmoney raises [700].
>You have options at Table 13998 Table!.
bobrich folds.
bill26urb is all-In [1400]
Steady66 folds.
speed2266 folds.
A_Junglen folds.
hordnurmoney is all-In [280]
>You have options at Table 13998 Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 7d, Jh ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
A_Junglen: folded KK
hordnurmoney shows [ Qs, Qd ] three of a kind, queens.
bill26urb shows [ Ad, Ac ] a pair of aces.
bill26urb wins 470 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
hordnurmoney wins 2560 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.

alright lets make some crazy estimates, say someone has AA here 50% of the time which is really way too high but lets just say that, your equity on that pot is like .18 of 3600 so 648 which is only 300 less than the 935 you will have so even if the hands were flipped over and they showed AA and QQ everytime and you called every time you still are only giving up 3 BB's plus the fact that you can run the table with so many chips calling cant be that bad if the big stack had AA everytime, now say 50% of the time someone doesnt have AA your equity should be around 57% against the range of villians hands so now thats .57 * 3600= 2052, divide those totals in half cuz its 50% of time for each and you can see that you are making an 850 chip mistake even if you are shown AA 50% of the time and always by the bigstack.

[Ryendal]

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alright lets make some crazy estimates, say someone has AA here 50% of the time which is really way too high but lets just say that, your equity on that pot is like .18 of 3600 so 648 which is only 300 less than the 935 you will have so even if the hands were flipped over and they showed AA and QQ everytime and you called every time you still are only giving up 3 BB's plus the fact that you can run the table with so many chips calling cant be that bad if the big stack had AA everytime, now say 50% of the time someone doesnt have AA your equity should be around 57% against the range of villians hands so now thats .57 * 3600= 2052, divide those totals in half cuz its 50% of time for each and you can see that you are making an 850 chip mistake even if you are shown AA 50% of the time and always by the bigstack.

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Hey ! I like that, it's obvious after that. Good job