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Old 08-13-2005, 12:35 AM
Dommer Dommer is offline
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Default common situation, missed value?

This type of thing comes up often, and I feel like I'm missing value here, but I'm not sure. Seems like every time I try to get some value they fold or have the flush... It's mostly flushes that will stop me from value betting, but sometimes an overcard will do it too. When an opponent shows real weakness here is betting out and then folding to any raise the profitable play? All this assumes no reads.



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 ($49.80)
Hero ($99.75)
MP2 ($117.85)
MP3 ($95)
CO ($100.90)
Button ($132.70)
SB ($51.35)
BB ($252.73)
UTG ($84.25)
UTG+1 ($90.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls $1, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($5.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, MP3 folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls $5.

Turn: ($19.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($19.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $19.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG+2 has Td 9d (one pair, tens).
Hero has Tc Ac (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $19.50. </font>
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Old 08-13-2005, 01:07 AM
amoeba amoeba is offline
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Default Re: common situation, missed value?

I think betting this river is fine. people are very rare to try to checkraise a second time after the first time failed.

that said. I don't think you are missing out on too much value as not many people will call here with top pair in an unraised pot. you might be missing a bit but not that much.
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