Passive line with set.

kongo_totte · #1 08-12-2005, 01:21 PM

Villian is 16.5/3 after a couple of 100 hands. He is about, or slightly below, average aggression post-flop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

SB ($58.75)
BB ($50.93)
UTG ($46.30)
Hero ($159.05)
UTG+2 ($21.93)
MP1 ($20.05)
MP2 ($74.55)
MP3 ($49.25)
CO ($57.95)
Button ($66.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $3, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($15) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($35) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero calls $10

jtr · #2 08-12-2005, 04:22 PM

You presumably have your reasons for this line, but surely there was a little more value to be had somewhere? Raise the flop, turn or river perhaps?

Salerosa · #3 08-12-2005, 04:38 PM

Barring some read on the villain I'm missing (other than he is pretty tight) I think this line is very bad. Reraise the flop or the turn. If he re-raises or pushes then you can let it go (again, without a strong read I'm calling here 100% of the time). Why are you playing 33 in the first place? What other flops are you hoping for? I'm looking to get my money in on the flop, if its set over set so be it.

GrunchCan · #4 08-12-2005, 04:44 PM

The opponent's check-minrasie on the flop represents either a set or 2 pair, doesn't it?

Pocket Trips · #5 08-12-2005, 04:48 PM

I agree with Salerosa... You got the flop you were hoping for with this hand... you hand will not change in value relative to his very often,(if it is set over set you will still be behind if the board pairs) I reraise the flop to $18 and push the turn (even with the str8 possibility it is not likely he was raising on a str8 draw)

Salerosa · #6 08-12-2005, 05:01 PM

I agree that he is representing a set or two pair, but if you are worried about a set that is why you re-raise flop and fold to a push. Or don't play 33, because there is always going to be the possibility of set over set. Again, in all the times I cannot put a villain on anything other than a higher set and call out of stubborness because I have decided that I will get stacked by set over set at SSNL, I am still waaaaay +EV on making the call.

elus2 · #7 08-12-2005, 05:01 PM

i doubt vpip of 16.3 limps 89s utg. guy plays like a set miner but i re-raise on the flop and re-evaluate.

elus2 · #8 08-12-2005, 05:03 PM

you play 33 because you can extract value against OTHER opponents.

#9 08-12-2005, 05:05 PM

Smells like 2 pair. I'd throw in a raise on the turn or the river. Your hand is good.

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punter11235 · #10 08-12-2005, 05:15 PM

This line is terrible...
You really need to get more money with your sets and you cant live in fear of higher sets and other monsters under the bed.
I would reraise flop if you think that in your game such a reraise has too much respect (its common situation) you should definitely raise the turn.
River is terrible... raise here is clear. Villain still may call with 1010 JJ 98...
If you lost to higher set or some miracle str8 good for you but you really cant crush 50NL without getting more value for your good hands.
Terrible play no matter the result.