KQs in SB, early level limpfest

[TheSalche]

Was a raise here with KQs OOP good? Should I have flat called or raised more/less?
(20+2 Party)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t530)
MP1 (t745)
MP2 (t1020)
CO (t400)
Button (t530)
Hero (t1105)
BB (t1805)
UTG (t1865)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t30, CO calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls t70, UTG+1 calls t70, MP2 folds, CO folds.

[lastchance]

Raising to t100 in a pot of t180 preflop is generally a bad idea.

Big underbet. KQs really isn't that strong here. I complete and see a flop.

[Jman28]

I would limp.

If you are gonna raise, you have to raise to at least 130.

[psyduck]

complete.

when you raise to T100, I can see that you're bringing your ring game mentality into SNGs. by all means, raise KQs in the SB in a low-limit ring game, but KQ (suited or unsuited) isn't a raising hand this early in an SNG

[TheSalche]

okay, so lets say i do limp ... what if the board comes King or Queen xx unbroken, do i bet out 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot and be ready to fold to a lot of resistance?

[lastchance]

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okay, so lets say i do limp ... what if the board comes King or Queen xx unbroken, do i bet out 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot and be ready to fold to a lot of resistance?

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No, you check. You fold to a bunch of resistance, but to a single bet, normally you call/raise, planning to make a move on the turn or to get to showdown.

[SNOWBALL138]

Being in the SB here, its very difficult to play this postflop. I doubt that anyone is folding for an extra t70 here. You are building a pot here with a weak hand, and you are first to act postflop.

If you are going to raise here, you should raise to at least 180.


Limping here is fine though. I think its a nice, default move.

I agree that limping is the standard play here. But I don't think a standard raise (3-5 bb plus extra because of the limpers) is wrong either. Actually I think limping could bring danger if a K or Q hits and someone else hits a strong draw.
A raise of 2 1/3 bb IS wrong though.

[Pete H]

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I agree that limping is the standard play here. But I don't think a standard raise (3-5 bb plus extra because of the limpers) is wrong either. Actually I think limping could bring danger if a K or Q hits and someone else hits a strong draw.
A raise of 2 1/3 bb IS wrong though.

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I think raising is much more dangerous.

Let's say you make a proper raise (200+) and there's one caller.

Pot (~600)
Flop: K/Qxx (rainbow, no hearts)

You are first to act and you have 800-900 chips.

Options are:

Push
Bet 400 and call a push
Bet 400 and fold to a push (doesn't make any sense)
Check/fold (doesn't make any sense to raise preflop if you hit your pair and fold)
Check/push (or call if pushed), this would be my approach 'cos this gains some chips if the opponent is behind and if I raise preflop and flop K/Q I'm going to lose all my chips if I'm behind

I really hate to be in situations where I don't have enough chips to get information whether I'm behind or not.

Complete you must

[tigerite]

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I agree that limping is the standard play here. But I don't think a standard raise (3-5 bb plus extra because of the limpers) is wrong either. Actually I think limping could bring danger if a K or Q hits and someone else hits a strong draw.

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This is nonsense.