$22 early - TT in BB, four limpers, re-raised when I pop - Hero does?

[jedinite]

Curious what everyone thinks the correct action is here.

SmallBlind has one won pot so far - they chased and caught the nut flush (with no full house or SF possible) on the river, were bet into by the person who lead the flop and the turn, and this person only called with the nuts. So I immediately give them a note that ammounts to "probably inexperienced".

Here's the hand:

NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee
Level:2 Blinds(15/30)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 5: Folder ( $835 )
Seat 10: folder ( $955 )
Seat 8: HERO ( $855 )
Seat 9: Limper-1 ( $730 )
Seat 6: Limper-3 ( $625 )
Seat 3: folder ( $1270 )
Seat 1: Limper-2 ( $495 )
Seat 7: SmallBlind ( $960 )
Seat 2: folder ( $1275 )
Trny:14758784 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Th Td ]
Limper-1 calls [30].
folder folds.
Limper-2 calls [30].
folder folds.
folder folds.
Folder folds.
Limper-3 calls [30].
SmallBlind calls [15].
HERO raises [70].
Limper-1 calls [70].
Limper-2 folds.
Limper-3 folds.
SmallBlind raises [140].
HERO ???

Bonus question - was the raise preflop wrong?? Raise bigger or not at all?

I play this to hit a set early..i wouldn't raise i'd call a small raise and check fold when flop brings overs with no 10.

[Pete H]

Here's another check - check/fold without set/undercards

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Bonus question - was the raise preflop wrong??

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Yes

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Raise bigger or not at all?

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Yes.

I might put that kind of raise in LP without limpers.

There's 3 limpers. If you follow 3xBB + BB/per limper rule, you should make it 180. Little bit less, like 150 might be enough.

I don't like to put in that kind of raise OOP and then check/fold most flops when overcards hit.

Also if you get reraised preflop, it's most likely push, and I'd have to fold my TT.

So checking is the safest way.

[flytrap]

I would raise this preflop almost every time. There are 4 hands better than TT, and since no one raised, you are most likely ahead here. Make it 175, and you'll usually win preflop. If someone limps then goes all-in, I'd fold, but making it 175 should get it at least heads up, where an overcard won't mean you have to check/fold.

[lastchance]

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I would raise this preflop almost every time. There are 4 hands better than TT, and since no one raised, you are most likely ahead here. Make it 175, and you'll usually win preflop. If someone limps then goes all-in, I'd fold, but making it 175 should get it at least heads up, where an overcard won't mean you have to check/fold.

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There are 5 hands better than TT. Just because TT is a favorite over AK doesn't mean it's any better, and it's not. AKs gets more equity in a field like this, and AK is just better most of the time.

Plus, AK either hits or doesn't. A J53 board is much more dangerous for TT then AK, especially in a raised pot, whereas checking allows you to play this hand very easily and straightforwardly. (autocheck-flop, fold most of the time, raise set, raise/call/fold overpair depending on action)

I really like the check OOP here.

[45suited]

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I would raise this preflop almost every time. There are 4 hands better than TT, and since no one raised, you are most likely ahead here. Make it 175, and you'll usually win preflop. If someone limps then goes all-in, I'd fold, but making it 175 should get it at least heads up, where an overcard won't mean you have to check/fold.

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I agree with lastchance that this is a check here.

But did you notice the bolded part here? Seems like another reason to take my EP line in levels 1 and 2 with AK. The limp / re-raise push would take a very nice pot here if done by AK from EP. Just had to throw that in there. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[flytrap]

Why is AK better than TT on a J53 flop? TT has a pair, that heads up is probably good, whereas AK has nothing, which may be good. If I'm heads up with TT on that flop, I'm definately betting, whereas with ak, I may still bet, but not as often as with TT. Also, when I mentioned that it's the 5th best hand, I was refering to it being a favorite, and that you'll be ahead on the flop most of the time against all but JJ+, which is where the last decision will be made in the hand if you raise pf. AK is certainly a fine hand, and may very well be better than TT, and if we were talking all-in pf then I'd take AK, but that's not what we have here. In this specific example, the play is to raise pf.

[flytrap]

If AK wants to take the limp/reraise line here, and get me to fold my hand, then more power to him. Most of the time, this play means AA/KK. Especially when I raised out of the blind, meaning I have a pretty strong hand. It would take some real Cajones to reraise all-in here with AK.

[45suited]

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If AK wants to take the limp/reraise line here, and get me to fold my hand, then more power to him. Most of the time, this play means AA/KK. Especially when I raised out of the blind, meaning I have a pretty strong hand. It would take some real Cajones to reraise all-in here with AK.

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It's my standard line with AK from EP in levels 1 and 2. But it should make you feel better that most people think I'm a bit of an idiot for doing this. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[flytrap]

I've taken that line a few times myself, and it's not a bad play, but I wouldn't expect it from most people, therefore I'm folding TT if I get reraised by a limper. If I played you often enough I might take AK into account, but as it stands now, the limp/reraise means I'm folding TT most of the time.