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08-10-2005, 09:06 PM
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QQ - turn play
all i know is that button is a tag.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls. Flop: (10 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls. Turn: (10 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero ? intending to? 
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#4
08-10-2005, 09:17 PM
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Re: QQ - turn play
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[ QUOTE ] but I 3bet flop [/ QUOTE ] this is a pretty standard "wait until the turn when our equity is better" hand. [/ QUOTE ] The problem is your position vs BB sucks. Check-raising the turn doesn't protect your hand anymore and all these people have the odds to draw to an A, gutshot, flush, or whatever they are doing. That's assuming that you aren't behind already. Just out of curiosity what do you do if the turn is a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or an A or a T or an 8 or a J or a 6?
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#5
08-10-2005, 09:19 PM
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Re: QQ - turn play
hmm..sketchy. I usually 3bet the flop here, especially when I'm OOP and I think it makes it easier to play. I understand your reasons for not doing it though on this board. I think the best thing to do on the turn is bet and fold to a raise. There's an argument for checking to save a bet if it's two bets back to you but I don't think this will happen frequently enough to make checking better than betting. There's also always the risk it gets checked through...BB might fear a checkraise from AK etc. By betting you are saying you have AK/KQ basically so you should be able to fold to a raise.
EDIT: My original post said to call a raise b/c I thought you had AK for some reason...if you bet the turn fold to raise.
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#6
08-10-2005, 09:20 PM
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Re: QQ - turn play
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[ QUOTE ] but I 3bet flop [/ QUOTE ] this is a pretty standard "wait until the turn when our equity is better" hand. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think this works oop. I 3-bet the flop everytime. Krishan
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#7
08-10-2005, 09:35 PM
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Re: QQ - turn play
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[ QUOTE ] but I 3bet flop [/ QUOTE ] this is a pretty standard "wait until the turn when our equity is better" hand. [/ QUOTE ] This is pretty standard bad advice.
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#8
08-10-2005, 09:38 PM
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Re: QQ - turn play
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] but I 3bet flop [/ QUOTE ] this is a pretty standard "wait until the turn when our equity is better" hand. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think this works oop. I 3-bet the flop everytime. Krishan [/ QUOTE ] i don't think it's a matter of it "working." you're thinking about trying to confront the field with 2BB on the turn (and obviously that would be ideal) but it's just a simple matter of not having enough equity to put alot of more bets in on the flop. i don't make theoretical money on the bets that go into the pot because i won't win this pot my fare share, even though i almost surely have the best hand at the moment. on the turn, when my equity is greater, is when i want bets going in. it's the same concept of checking the flop through with top pair on the flop in an attempt to get in 2BB from everyone on the turn (i'll try to dig up an old thread from Bernie which got like 150 replies and was very controversial that demonstrates this). thats the way i think of it anyway.
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#10
08-10-2005, 09:41 PM
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Re: QQ - turn play
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] but I 3bet flop [/ QUOTE ] this is a pretty standard "wait until the turn when our equity is better" hand. [/ QUOTE ] This is pretty standard bad advice. [/ QUOTE ] care to elaborate?
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