The Freemoney Principle

[ilya]

I.E.

Play against your opponents actually play, not against how you would play in their shoes.


Ok obviously freemoney is like the 50 millionth person to say this, but he explicitly champions this important point more than many of the other top posters. For example there was that thread a few weeks back in which you were on the bubble with 10xbb in the SB contemplating pushing into a 10xbb BB. There was a super short stack. Everyone was saying, push any 2, the BB needs AA-QQ to call! But freemoney was like...'no dudes. just because he should be tight doesn't mean he will be.'

So....

***** Hand History for Game 2483357903 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14572420 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Friday, August 05, 18:14:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 14000 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: stubby67 ( $120 )
Seat 6: bootman51 ( $2500 )
Seat 8: StneColdCall ( $4500 )
Seat 9: PaulTD ( $880 )
Trny:14572420 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to StneColdCall [ Ac 5s ]
PaulTD folds.
stubby67 folds.
bootman51 raises [600].


Resist the urge....or at least resist thinking that the right play is OBVIOUS here.

[xLukex]

I would say push if you know he is a total donk, but I also like calling and reevaluating after the flop.

I could care less about the small stacks in this hand as you'll still be in fine shape if you lose the hand.

I don't know, I should just let curtains and citanul and durron toss this around huh. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[ewing55]

The question is: Is Bootman trapping???

Normally I'd push over the top of him and say "You wanna chance 4th?" but if he is thinking that's what I'd do, then I fold. How did he become 2nd big stack? Lucky or skill? Is he pushing/mini-raising a lot and folding to a bet or what.

Of course I could be wrong.

I don't see how you can guess what he is thinking by the small amount of information given.

----------Jeff

[durron597]

Wtf. I say this too.

I'm pushing 32o here and it's not close.

Edit: whoops this isn't obvious, I misread who is in the BB. Hm need to think about it actualy.

[freemoney]

theres no comparison between me and someone like durron or citanul no offense.

[DesertCat]

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I would say push if you know he is a total donk, but I also like calling and reevaluating after the flop.


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Isn't this backwards? If he's a donk he'll call a push, and even if you are ahead, the ChipEV you might gain isn't worth the TEV you might lose, right?

If he's a thinking player, and your table image is good, no way he calls a push on the bubble without a big pair or AK/AQ.

And I don't like burning 600 chips on a call that leaves me out of position with a weak hand. I'd fold if didn't want to push.

[freemoney]

this hand is an easy push IMO though.

[ilya]

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theres no comparison between me and someone like durron or citanul no offense.

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you rate yourself much higher than citanul?

[ilya]

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this hand is an easy push IMO though.

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why, because you are still in very good shape if you get called & lose?

[Slim Pickens]

Eh, are you saying that it takes a top-flight player to fold to an all-in here? Even at the 33's I think most players in bootman's boots will fold this. The reason they're not as good is that the better players think a little ahead and know if they have to fold 1/5 of their stack to a reraise, it's probably a bad idea. The average (therefore losing) player has to be reminded of that fact after putting in his chips, rather than knowing it before. I guess what I'm saying is that I do think the right play from your seat is obvious here, so maybe I don't quite get it yet.

SlimP