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Old 08-05-2005, 10:29 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default when the flush draw gets there...

2nd hand. on the first hand i led out on a paired flop in an unraised pot and took it down.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Button (t785)
Hero (t830)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t45</font>, UTG calls t45, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t240</font>, Hero calls t140.

River: (t630) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t300</font>, hero?

i have 530 left.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:34 AM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: when the flush draw gets there...

On Live at the Bike yesterday the commentators were talking about how you can't just shut down 100% of the time when the third card to a flush hits. I call the river.

Another option is to check call the turn and check call the river. But I don't like giving a free card to like A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Jx.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: when the flush draw gets there...

Yep, gotta call here, I'm afraid. I prefer betting the turn to prevent free cards and also get information. I don't think he raises the turn here with the flush, unless it's a very low one.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:24 AM
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Default Re: when the flush draw gets there...

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Another option is to check call the turn and check call the river. But I don't like giving a free card to like A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Jx.

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That's my line. I don't mind giving free cards when I may already be smashed.
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:03 PM
pooh74 pooh74 is offline
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Default Re: when the flush draw gets there...

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2nd hand. on the first hand i led out on a paired flop in an unraised pot and took it down.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Button (t785)
Hero (t830)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t45</font>, UTG calls t45, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t240</font>, Hero calls t140.

River: (t630) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t300</font>, hero?

i have 530 left.

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I'd reraise the turn.

Much of the time. I see villain's line being Ah x, maybe he called the flop bet because he hit his kicker on flop, raised the turn incase a 4th heart came on river, and hit 2 pair on river so value bet it.

Just a scenario besides "he hit his flush so im folding" that you could consider...Id raise all in on the river....
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:05 PM
hobbes9324 hobbes9324 is offline
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Default Re: when the flush draw gets there...

I don't see how you can get away from the hand.
Especially at lower buy-ins, there are just too many
hands that some donk could be playing that you can beat.

Sometimes, things just suck.
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:22 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: when the flush draw gets there...

I have called (when tilting) and folded (when playing well) in this situation. I think more often then not when you are betting into an opponent and then they start betting into you, you're beaten. I would have bet more on the flop b/c I always try to protect my hand with a drawing board. then maybe CR the turn, fold if reraised. In your situation, I would probably fold to his turn raise... it is still early and you have enough chips to play for a while.
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:51 PM
Uppercut Uppercut is offline
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Default Re: when the flush draw gets there...

The Ace on the river doesn't seem to scare the villian, so it's pretty obvious he wasn't raising the turn with top pair. Unless he has AJo, I don't see how you are ahead after the river. Fold and conserve your remaining chips. 530 is still a lot at level 1.
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:57 PM
Matt R. Matt R. is offline
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Default Re: when the flush draw gets there...

I fold the river. Your set is almost always beat here, and your stack is really hurting if you call and are wrong.
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Old 08-05-2005, 01:04 PM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: when the flush draw gets there...

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I fold the river. Your set is almost always beat here, and your stack is really hurting if you call and are wrong.

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Are you joking? He never has AJ here?
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