How I won a 22....hand 2( should I call with 55 on level 1)

[valenzuela]

due to popular request Ill edit( if theres more berating ill stop altogether). I think this is an intresting debate...I feel folding is better because theyre might be a reraise behind me, however a case can be made for calling. I won a small pot with 55( i was in the BB and won without improving) I got 55 dealt again .
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Quads420 (785)
Seat 2: pOkErLaDy02_ (1670)
Seat 4: be_here_now (805)
Seat 5: Ikkyman (1010)
Seat 6: pooholes6835 (770)
Seat 7: WakeForest09 (745)
Seat 8: drigg28 (865)
Seat 9: whosetosay (1350)
WakeForest09 posts small blind (10)
drigg28 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to be_here_now [ 5h, 5d ]
whosetosay raises (45) to 45
drigg28: crazy call
Quads420 calls (45)
pOkErLaDy02_ folds.
me...

[Superfluous Man]

Ugh. This idea is Terri Schiavo. Will someone please pull the feeding tube?

P.S. I call, fold to any sort of meaningful preflop reraise, and play NSNB on the flop.

[Sabrazack]

This is kind of interesting.

[tigerite]

Yeah, post the interesting/close hands, I don't see a prob with that. I call this by the way.

[durron597]

Anyone who folds this hand is losing value. Period.

[brimstone1]

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Anyone who folds this hand is losing value. Period.

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Well, crap, I found a leak then.. I always fold small pairs to any raise in L1-3... damn!

I always thought of it as a chip bleeding leak to call these... but.. heh!

Thanks 2+2 [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[durron597]

Raise pots are where they pay off the most! In limped pots your have to hope someone's garbage hand hit something like 2 pair. In a raised pot you can hope to stack someone's TPTK or something much more often.

[brimstone1]

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Raise pots are where they pay off the most! In limped pots your have to hope someone's garbage hand hit something like 2 pair. In a raised pot you can hope to stack someone's TPTK or something much more often.

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Of course, we're talking about Level 1 and 2, where 3xBB raised pots aren't too much to call, etc, correct?

[durron597]

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Of course, we're talking about Level 1 and 2, where 3xBB raised pots aren't too much to call, etc, correct?

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On Party in the 800 chip games, I am talking about Level 1 specifically, only. Of course others will disagree with me. In level 2, a 3xBB raise is 90 chips or typically over 10% of your stack which is not worth it. You could call a raise 100% of the time with a small pocket pair if:

1) The bet is less than 7% of your stack.
2) You do not expect a raise behind you.

There are other considerations (table dynamics, post flop aggression, etc.) that would go into a call with a less deep stack but the above two statements are enough to start working from. Here it's a clear call if #2 holds (which it does at the typical $22 table).

[axeshigh]

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Raise pots are where they pay off the most! In limped pots your have to hope someone's garbage hand hit something like 2 pair. In a raised pot you can hope to stack someone's TPTK or something much more often.

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I think the risk that there's a reraise behind you is too big to call. I'd call out of the blinds and maybe in the button. On that position I'm only calling 88+ cause they flop overpair sometimes. Of course I may be wrong but I think these small pairs get you into a lot of trouble.