Stupid or good laydown?

baronzeus · #1 07-31-2005, 06:38 AM

I hate playing weakly like this but it's gonna cost me 2.5BBs to call down. Right? Typical opponent.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises, MP (poster) calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP raises, Hero folds, UTG calls.

timprov · #2 07-31-2005, 06:44 AM

I think you have to at least take a card off here. I likely call the flop and bet-fold the turn UI.

marand · #3 07-31-2005, 06:47 AM

I call the flop getting 14-1 or 15-1 depending if UTG calls. My implied odds combined with the chance of MP having a draw and checking behind on the turn make this a call on the flop for me.

Against some opponents I would call it down and against others I would fold it on the turn. I think his most likely hands are Kx, Tx or a draw like QJ.

Also please don't post the turn and river action in a post like this. The river "check check" really gives the impression that MP doesn't have much and might affect the answers you get.

baronzeus · #4 07-31-2005, 06:48 AM

You bet fold the turn here? What about the overcaller? He is scary.

timprov · #5 07-31-2005, 06:52 AM

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I don't see why. If he happens to three-bet the flop I might get the heck out of the way, but this looks more like a gutshot or pocket pair than a slowplay. Maybe he has QQ and you're hosed, but that's all I'm worried about.

marand · #6 07-31-2005, 06:57 AM

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I don't see why. If he happens to three-bet the flop I might get the heck out of the way, but this looks more like a gutshot or pocket pair than a slowplay. Maybe he has QQ and you're hosed, but that's all I'm worried about.

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QQ is very very unlikely IMO. There are only 6 combinations and he would probably cap it preflop more than 95% of the time.

timprov · #7 07-31-2005, 07:26 AM

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QQ is very very unlikely IMO. There are only 6 combinations and he would probably cap it preflop more than 95% of the time.

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Agreed that it's unlikely, but I think it's more likely than a K or a slowplay. Most likely he has AQ/AT here.