Anti-War or Anti-U.S.?

[B-Man]

Iranian author and journalist Amir Taheri:

March 5, 2003 -- 'THE rebirth of the peace movement." This is how sections of the Western media describe the marches that attracted 30 million people in some 600 cities, in 25 countries, across the globe in recent weeks.

Last week, a group of "peaceniks" gathered in London to discuss ways of nursing the "reborn" child into adulthood. By coincidence, today marks the 50th anniversary of Josef Stalin's death.

The Soviet dictator was the father of the first "peace movement," which for years served as an instrument of the Kremlin's global policy.

Stalin's "peace movement" was launched in 1946 at a time when he had not yet developed a nuclear arsenal and was thus vulnerable to a U.S. nuclear attack. Stalin also needed time to consolidate his hold on his newly conquered empire in eastern and central Europe while snatching chunks of territory in Iran.

Pablo Picasso, a "fellow traveler" with the French Communist Party, designed the famous dove of peace as the emblem of the movement. French poet Paul Eluard, another fellow traveler, composed an ode inspired by Stalin. The "peaceniks" were told to wear white shirts, release white doves during their demonstrations and shake their clenched fists against "imperialists and revanchistes."

Soon it became clear that the "peace movement" was not opposed to all wars, but only to those that threatened the U.S.S.R., its allies and its satellites.

For example, the peaceniks did not object to Stalin's decision to keep the entire Chechen nation in exile in Siberia. The peaceniks did not march to ask Stalin to withdraw his forces from Iranian Azerbaijan and Kurdistan. When Stalin annexed 15 percent of Finland's territory, none of the peaceniks protested.

Neither did they march when the Soviets annexed the Baltic states. Nor did they grumble when Soviet tanks rolled into Warsaw and Budapest, and a decade later also in Prague. But when America led a coalition under a U.N. mandate to prevent North Korean Communists from conquering the south, peaceniks were on the march everywhere.

The movement targeted Western democracies and sought to weaken their resolve against the Soviet threat.

Over the years nobody marched against any of the client regimes of the Soviet Union that engaged in numerous wars, including against their own people.

The wars that China's Communist regime waged against the peoples of Manchuria, Tibet, East Turkestan and Inner Mongolia, lands that were eventually annexed and subjected to "ethnic cleansing," provoked no protest marches. Even when China attacked India and grabbed Indian territories the size of England, the peace movement did not budge.

In the 1960s the movement transformed itself into the campaign for unilateral nuclear disarmament. Here, unilateral meant that only the Western powers had to give up their arsenal, thus giving the Soviets a monopoly on nuclear weapons.

The peaceniks spent much of the '60s opposing U.S. intervention in Vietnam.

The 1980s gave them a new lease on life, as they focused on opposing American Pershing missiles in Western Europe.

The Pershings represented a response to Soviet SS-20 missiles that had already been stationed in central Europe and aimed at Western European capitals. But the peaceniks never asked for both the Pershings and the SS-20s to be withdrawn, only the American missiles.

President Ronald Reagan's proposal that both the SS-20s and the Pershings be withdrawn was attacked and ridiculed by the peaceniks as "an American Imperialist trick." Francois Mitterrand, then France's Socialist president, put it this way: "The missiles are in the East but the peaceniks are in the West!"

No peacenik, not even Joschka Fischer, now Germany's foreign minister, marched in support of tearing down the Berlin Wall and allowing the German nation to regain its unity.

All that is now history. The "evil empire" of communism has gone for good, but the deep anti-West sentiments that it promoted over the decades remains.

It is this anti-West, more specifically anti-American, sentiment that provides the glue of the new peace movement.

Last month, the British daily The Guardian asked a number of peaceniks to explain why they opposed the use of force to liberate Iraq?

The main reason they felt they had to support Saddam Hussein was that he was disliked by the United States.


When the Tanzanian army invaded Uganda and removed Idi Amin from power, no one marched because the United States was not involved.

When the Vietnamese army invaded Cambodia and changed the Khmer Rouge regime there, no one marched. Again, the United States was not involved.

When French troops invaded the Central African Republic and changed its regime, again no one marched.

The reason? You guessed it: America was not involved.

And what about a march in support of the Chechens? Oh, no, that won't do: The United States is not involved.

The peace movement would merit the label only if it opposed all wars, including those waged by tyrants against their own people, not just those in which America is involved.

Did it march when Saddam Hussein invaded Iran? Not at all.

Did it march when Saddam invaded Kuwait? Again: nix!

(Later, they marched, with the slogan "No Blood for Oil," when the U.S.-led coalition came to liberate Kuwait.)

Did it march when Saddam was gassing the Kurds to death? Oh, no.

Stalin died 50 years ago to the day.

But if he were around today he would have a chuckle: His peace movement remains as alive in the Western democracies as it was half a century ago.

[andyfox]

I was active in the peace movementin the early 1970s. I can assure you Stalin had nothing whatsoever to do with it. We protested what ourgovernment was doing. The reason why a peace movement is active again in the United States is that there are people opposed to the impending war with Iraq. To consider opposition to this war as Satlin's peace movement would b elaughable, were it not so sad.

[B-Man]

Andy,

I have no doubt your motives are pure . I do, however, have quite a bit of doubt about many of the anti-war protesters. The author of that article raises some very interesting questions, for example, why were there no protests against Saddam's invasion of Kuwait? His gassing of Kurds? Why is noone protesting against Saddam now, or demanding that he take action to avoid a war, rather than putting the burden on the U.S.? (Interestingly, some of the other Arab states are actually calling for Saddam to step aside or give up power. It will be a cold day in hell before France ever suggests such an idea.)

This reminds me of Belgium attempting to prosecute Sharon as a war criminal, but bringing no action against Arafat. I wonder about the motivation behind that...

[IrishHand]

why were there no protests against Saddam's invasion of Kuwait?
No protest needed, as prompt military action took care of it. Protests are for when you disagree with a nation's policies. You generally don't "protest" something you like.

His gassing of Kurds?
No protest needed, as US took action with increased military action in northern Iraq (eg. no-fly zone). See above for sensibility of protesting when a nation's already doing what you want.

Why is noone protesting against Saddam now, or demanding that he take action to avoid a war, rather than putting the burden on the U.S.?
Why protest? He's not doing anything other than being inspected and bombed. Not sure how that qualifies as inciting a war.

[MMMMMM]

andy, I know you are sincere, as are many of the participants in this movement today--but that doesn't mean that the organizers are equally pure in motive.

Please check out the two links in my new post "Peace Organizers Today: Stalinist & Maoist Affiliatiations" which details the Workers World Party (Stalinist) roots of A.N.S.W.E.R. and IAC, and also the Maoist roots of the "Not In Our Name" project. No kidding.

[B-Man]

As usual, you distort the facts.

He's not doing anything other than being inspected and bombed. Not sure how that qualifies as inciting a war.

Let's see, he is in violation of 1441, he has repeatedly refused to fully cooperate with the inspectors, he hasn't provided any accounting of, literally, tons of chemical weapons and hazardous materials which he was known to have but have somehow "disappeared", he hasn't made any disclosures of his WMD (other than denying he has any--maybe you "believe" that, but I don't think any reasonable person does), he has repeatedly lied and defrauded the world and made a mockery of the U.N.

Yet Irishhand says he hasn't done anything to incite a war. Thanks for proving my point about anti-American prejudice.

[brad]

well a lot of people just think its an excuse to attack (bush regime had plans to attack iraq even before inauguration)

but anyway

since a lot of stuff was destroyed in first gulf war, how does iraq account for those?

[IrishHand]

LOL

That's a pretty long post to say "Iraq is violating a UN resolution". I agree with that, as does everyone else that I'm aware of. Of course, as I've noted before, arguing that the violating a UN resolution is the same as inciting a war is completely untenable. Seriously...give me your argument for why war is the solution to the violation of a UN resolution.

Also, feel free to explain how thinking that war isn't the solution to the violation of a UN resolution is un-American.

[andyfox]

"I have no doubt your motives are pure"

Thanks, but you'd be wiser to doubt. [img]/forums/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

I can't speak for others, but I'm much more concerned about what I perceive as my own government's shortcomings than those of other governments. Wrong or right, I marched against American involvement in Vietnam; I did not march against Soviet involvement in Afghanistan. This had nothing to do with my favoring communism over capitalism or being more of a fan of the Soviet Union than the United States. My sense is that this is behind the current protests here in the U.S.

To say that the protests against the upcoming war are shortsighted can be argued. To say that they're Maoist or Stalinist at their core, is laughable. Left of center does not equal Pot Pot, Ms. Noonan's claim to the contrary notwithstanding.

[B-Man]

Are you ever capable of staying on-point, or do you always have to change the discussion to whatever you feel like arguing about?

My post was about the anti-American prejudice which is prevalent (even if perhaps unconsciously) among many of the anti-war protestors. This post was not about the reasons to go to war or not go to war; that is a different issue (I think there are valid reasons to go to war, and I have also heard a few legitimate arguments against the war, though I think the former outweigh the latter).

The article noted that you never see the peaceniks protesting against things like Soviet ICBMs in East Germany, though they protest American missiles in West Germany. They don't protest against Saddam invading Iran or Kuwait, or using WMD on his own people, but they protest the U.S. going to war to free Kuwait, as well as the war which seems to be pending. Basically, it seems that the protest only when the U.S. is involved; totalitarian and communist regimes get a free pass. You responded with your usual gibberish and alleged parallels which aren't parallel at all.

Also, feel free to explain how thinking that war isn't the solution to the violation of a UN resolution is un-American.

I never said or suggested anything like that. Everyone has a right to an opinion and free speech in this country (unlike other countries, like, for example, Iraq). I simply suggested that the pattern of "peace protests" shows a clear anti-American bias. I suggest re-reading the article, then try to tell me that the pattern of protests doesn't have an anti-American bias.