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Old 07-26-2005, 03:37 AM
Olback Olback is offline
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Default Checkraise or just push?

Eurobet $33 sng

At the time i thought this checkraise was good but looking back on it, it might have been better to just push straight all in and increase the chances that he folds. Limper was LAG and had been limping alot so he could have anything.

#Game No : 2424167005
***** Hand History for Game 2424167005 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:14258827 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Monday, July 25, 21:36:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 22392 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: ozziedo ( $440 )
Seat 2: partygirl021 ( $1785 )
Seat 3: lilwinston44 ( $1065 )
Seat 5: Olback1 ( $830 )
Seat 6: captryan20 ( $755 )
Seat 8: myGTO04 ( $120 )
Seat 9: mercedes84 ( $1570 )
Seat 10: robber747 ( $1435 )
Trny:14258827 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Olback1 [ Qh 6h ]
captryan20 folds.
myGTO04 folds.
mercedes84 folds.
robber747 calls [100].
ozziedo folds.
partygirl021 folds.
lilwinston44 folds.
Olback1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, Jh, 4d ]
Olback1 checks.
robber747 bets [250].
Olback1 is all-In [730]
robber747 folds.
Olback1 does not show cards.
Olback1 wins 1230 chips
Game #2424174478 starts.
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Old 07-26-2005, 07:11 AM
tigerite tigerite is offline
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Default Re: Checkraise or just push?

Push preflop
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Old 07-26-2005, 09:37 AM
bigt439 bigt439 is offline
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Default Re: Checkraise or just push?

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Push preflop

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Meh. I don't really like that line. I find limpers call alot with mediocre a's and mid pp's in situations like these. As for the flop I auto check-raise this.
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Old 07-26-2005, 09:48 AM
tigerite tigerite is offline
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Default Re: Checkraise or just push?

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Push preflop

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Meh. I don't really like that line. I find limpers call alot with mediocre a's and mid pp's in situations like these. As for the flop I auto check-raise this.

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Yeah but the OP wrote:

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Limper was LAG and had been limping alot so he could have anything.

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To these kind of opponents I believe a PVS to be the most effective. At least that's what I've found in the past.
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Old 07-26-2005, 12:30 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: Checkraise or just push?

if he really is both loose and aggressive and has not made any crazy calls of a-i's, i think pushing is ok. but i like your line better, and i like it much better than open-pushing the flop for 3x the pot. may as well just expose your flush draw while you're at it.
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Old 07-26-2005, 01:55 PM
bigt439 bigt439 is offline
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Default Re: Checkraise or just push?

To be completely honest I hadn't seen that extra note on the limper, and obviously it strengthens your argument. It is much closer now, but I still feel as though the same type of person who is limping lots of hands, is the same person who will call your 7 bb allin with k2 or the like (I just had this almost identical situation happen this morning at a 109). While I think an argument can be made for a push, I think you're risking too much as these type of loose players for some reason love calling raises they perceive as small even though this is over half of his stack.
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Old 07-26-2005, 01:57 PM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: Checkraise or just push?

this hand was played perfectly
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Old 07-26-2005, 01:58 PM
Scuba Chuck Scuba Chuck is offline
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Default Re: Checkraise or just push?

The flop overbet is usually telling. General it means that is the most amount of chips he's willing to put into this pot. This is a good flop/hand to check-raise with. Assuming your read on villain is that he missed the flop.

FWIW, I also like the push preflop line.

Scuba
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