need help playing online poker - i don' understand why i lose this wee

hi

The last week I was doing well playing online (I play 3/6 limit, size 6 tables). I played over 4000 hands, usually during the evening for long periods of time (maybe 5-8 hrs total a day - of course with breaks). Throughout that week, I was consistently up every day by at least $100/day. Of course each day I had ups and downs by several hundred dollars, but I *was* up overall.


Then, the last two days I crashed $700 and I can't recover at the same rate I was winning last week. I do not understand why. My style of play is not any different, I am not fatiged, the environment around me is the same. I don't understand. Can anybody help out with insight? The last 2 days I've played 1500 hands.

I am a tight - slightly loose aggressive player who plays size 6 or smaller tables only.

I tried playing heads yesterday and today, and generally against 80-90% of the people i play against, I make a net profit...

I tried moving to 5/10 table for a few hours, generally I wasn't faring as well as on the 3/6 table - the ups and downs were much higher.

I can also post stats if you guys need it (i use poker tracker)

[jman220]

Stop playing poker. Read a few 2+2 books if you haven't already. Read these forums, a lot, especially the Small stakes Holdem forum. Do not read oot. Resume playing poker but step down in limits, severely. Post hands and ask for feedback. When you are told by people that a lot of the hands are misplayed for various reasons, accept the advice and improve. Read Bankroll and Bankroll management forum. Gradually improve and step up in limits, provided that your bankroll is adequate.

Or: Get a bunch of responses to this thread, most of them sarcastic. Become defensive and argumentative. Insist that you are a good poker player even though your results are not good. Suggest that online poker is rigged. Continue losing overall with occasional upswings that will convince you that you are a long term winner.

You are at a crossroads, the choice is yours. Welcome to the forum.

First of all I am new to the forums so don't flame me, thanks

I agree with part 1) of your post. I'm going to buy those 2+2 books (listed on the other threads...) and read them. And partake in many of your part 1 suggestions.

I'm quite open to suggestions and all, so don't berate me for any of my opinions....

I am approximately 2BB/100 hands though that is sloping down due to my current playing...is this good or bad?!?

So I think the major source of my loss comes from two things:
1) playing too much / fatigue / time of play
2) Overplaying certain hands even when clearly I am beaten, attempting a semi-bluff / bluff / steal and continuing to bet even though clearly beaten

I play 5-8 hrs a day, what about you guys?

More details for #2) I saw a bunch of hands I had today and yesterday where i had something strong like KK or high two pair, with a 4 cards to a straight on the table, and yet I would call on the river. Also seemingly during a pot steal if reraised, I will usually call or reraise (end up spending more money). I believe it is situations like this is what ends up costing me major bucks as each of these situations is a medium to semi-large pot which I lose. Is there an easy way to track this (poker tracker)? Or do you guys have this problem too?

[mdeck]

If you have questions about how you played hands, go through your Hand Histories and post specific ones in Small Stakes or Heads-Up Shorthanded. You'll get better strategy responses than by just asking broad questions here.

Secondly, you've only played like 4000 hands. Thats nothing. After that many hands, your stats, especially winrate are insignificant. There have been winning players that have gone on 30,000 hand break-even streaks, and very good players who lost 400BB over 10,000 hands. In poker, variance is huge, even moreso in Shorthanded play. If you can't handle the swings, drop down to limits where the monetary amounts don't matter so much.

It's important that you stop giving money absolute values and thinking about your results in terms of final dollar amounts. This attitude is just going to make you tilt and prevent you from becoming a better player.

You need to follow jmans advice. 3/6 is not the same game online as it is live, and if you haven't read many poker books yet you may be in for a surprise. I'd say drop down, read some books, and once you feel that you understand many of the concepts presented move up.

Good Luck

ahh
thanks.

I've played 50k+ hands online, but only 5000 or so have been on ~3/6 limit tables and have pocker tracker statistics.

Also the BB/100 stat in pokertracker doesn't include the rake amount i just noticed. Does anybody know how to change that so that it does include it?

I guess I'm not used to the swings...haven't played enough 3/6 hands.

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[Rascal]

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I am a tight - slightly loose aggressive player who plays size 6 or smaller tables only.


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Thats your problem there u dont know anything about poker. I think your playing well above ur station in life.

[MicroBob]

your sample size is ridiculously small and you obviously have no grasp on the inherent variance in the game.

Even the very best players would have similar down-swings playing on the party 2/4 tables or lower. that's just because there are such things as 'tough hands' and 'losing sessions'.


The best poker players probably only win 60-65% of their sessions.
2BB/100 is a good win-rate...but you don't if that's your true win-rate until many more thousands of hands.


you pat yourself on the back when you are up $100 and you wonder what's gone so horribly wrong when you lose $100.
This is less than 20BB's at 3/6.

You should regularly have swings that are larger than this.



Based on your misunderstanding of the variance involved I suggest that you are not a very good poker player.
The suggestions and comments in the first reply to this thread are actually correct even though you think he was just flaming you.


Some of the veterans around here (including me) have seen these posts about a zillion times before:
- new poster comes on here. just KNOWS that he is a good player...but doesn't understand why he isn't winning as much as he thinks he should
- through his post he continues to express his thoughts on some aspect of poker that shows a GROSS misunderstanding and obviously indicates that he is NOT as good as he thinks he is
- veteran posters around here proceed to tell him...either politely or not so politely...that he is REALLY missing the mark with his ideas and that he needs to step down in limits and gain as much knowledge as he can from these forums
- new poster just thinks he is getting flamed and gets defensive.....OR....new poster eventually becomes convinced after 20 or so different veteran posters all give their unanimous approval to the general notion that the new player just isn't that hot of a player. after about 20 different people ALL agreeing you'd have to be pretty darned stubborn not to realize that you are just being defensive and that you really ARE missing out on some fairly simple and fundamental aspects of what it takes to be a consistent winning player.


again - as previous poster stated, it's your choice.
listen to the advice here that you REALLY are confused about some things AND that you are likely over-estimating your poker ability...
OR, get defensive and insist that you are a solid, winning player in spite of all the other veteran, winning players who are telling you otherwise.


i know i'm being a bit harsh here...but i might link to a post like this one for the future posts such as this.
they are getting more and more frequent.

[Ray Of Light]

post your poker tracker stats... that will be able to give us a better idea about how you are playing...

[Ricardido]

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Stop playing poker. Read a few 2+2 books if you haven't already. Read these forums, a lot, especially the Small stakes Holdem forum. Do not read oot. Resume playing poker but step down in limits, severely. Post hands and ask for feedback. When you are told by people that a lot of the hands are misplayed for various reasons, accept the advice and improve. Read Bankroll and Bankroll management forum. Gradually improve and step up in limits, provided that your bankroll is adequate.

Or: Get a bunch of responses to this thread, most of them sarcastic. Become defensive and argumentative. Insist that you are a good poker player even though your results are not good. Suggest that online poker is rigged. Continue losing overall with occasional upswings that will convince you that you are a long term winner.

You are at a crossroads, the choice is yours. Welcome to the forum.

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amen.