plan with crappy top pair

schwza · #1 07-25-2005, 12:43 PM

no one disagrees with completing, right? okay, now what? this is a 33, btw.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

MP1 (t810)
MP2 (t465)
MP3 (t630)
CO (t785)
Button (t835)
Hero (t715)
BB (t760)
UTG (t1090)
UTG+1 (t1910)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero??

Unarmed · #2 07-25-2005, 12:47 PM

Checks and evaluates the action after him, raising or folding depending on what happens.

11t · #3 07-25-2005, 12:50 PM

I dunno, I am used to PokerStars so the deeper stacks allow for much more post flop play in the early levels. Typically due to it being a pretty draw heavy board and still in the early levels, I would most likely bet out 90 (3/4) and see what happens. If I get called I'd bet 1/2-2/3 of the pot against any non=spade/straight card. If I get called again I'd probably check/fold the river against any spade and check/call any non-threatening card and kick myself when he has KJ.

Of course I think with your shorter stacks I really don't know, I think check/calling the flop and leading out on any non-threatening turn might have some merit but that could just be ridiculous.

Fold preflop [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Raiser · #4 07-25-2005, 12:57 PM

I like checking.

I would CR a button bet. Check/call if BB or CO bets followed by a call. Check/fold any more significant action than that.

schwza · #5 07-25-2005, 01:04 PM

i was reluctant to c/r b/c i didn't want to get called and then have to play two more streets with a pretty big pot. my plan was to check/call the flop and then lead out on any non-scary turn and fold to a raise. does anyone else use this line? should i have just folded the flop?

am i done with the hand now?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

MP1 (t810)
MP2 (t465)
MP3 (t630)
CO (t785)
Button (t835)
Hero (t715)
BB (t760)
UTG (t1090)
UTG+1 (t1910)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets t120, Button folds, Hero calls t120, BB folds.

Turn: (t360) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t100, hero?

skierdude1000 · #6 07-25-2005, 01:04 PM

I see everyone saying to check.... why not just bet out here and see what happens? He's got top pair.... mediocre kicker... betting out seems like solid agressive play

durron597 · #7 07-25-2005, 01:15 PM

This is why I don't like Party Poker. The stacks are not deep enough to figure out where you are and get away from the hand.

I think curtains would say you should check fold here. I'm almost inclined to agree; decide whether you have the best hand when he bets and either c/r push or fold. I don't like check/calling the flop, I'm not sure what it accomplishes [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

schwza · #8 07-25-2005, 01:19 PM

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c/r push

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ugh. it's the old "call me if you're ahead and fold if you're behind" play. i think check/call, lead is a viable way to get to SD cheaply.

durron597 · #9 07-25-2005, 01:22 PM

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ugh. it's the old "call me if you're ahead and fold if you're behind" play. i think check/call, lead is a viable way to get to SD cheaply.

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Cheaply??? You have 565 left on the turn and the pot is 360. What are you suggesting, lead 200 and then check river when he calls? Fold if he pushes getting 3:1?

Check/call flop, lead turn is not cheap.

Edit: I would rather fold the flop then fold to a push on the turn after investing 320 more chips.

Raiser · #10 07-25-2005, 01:24 PM

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i think check/call, lead is a viable way to get to SD cheaply.

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Ugh, you are probably right, but in the mean time you are spending all of your FE dollars early in the tournament on a hand that doesn't look so good. His t100 bet on the turn is very odd. He bets less on the turn than the flop? I think he definitely wants to be called here. I fold that turn and move on. You still have enough chips to do damage later, but if you check/call your way down you will be in desperation mode at a very early stage in the tourney.