fold trips, when board pairs again??

[Bartman387]

FullTiltPoker Game #160681382: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (1001490), Table 1 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:53:30 ET - 2005/07/20
Seat 2: BIGNEG (470)
Seat 3: Bocephys (1,175)
Seat 4: Bartman387 (1,455)
Seat 5: QueenBeeoch (2,550)
Seat 6: REYEB (2,630)
Seat 7: mpainter16 (1,300)
Seat 8: chiphawg (2,880)
Seat 9: tacc421 (1,040)
Bocephys posts the small blind of 25
Bartman387 posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bartman387 [4s 5c]
chiphawg: nh
QueenBeeoch calls 50
REYEB folds
mpainter16 folds
QueenBeeoch: ty
chiphawg calls 50
tacc421 calls 50
BIGNEG folds
Bocephys calls 25
Bartman387 checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs 5s 5h]
Bocephys checks
Bartman387 checks
QueenBeeoch checks
chiphawg checks
tacc421 bets 120
Bocephys raises to 500
Bartman387 calls 500
QueenBeeoch folds
chiphawg folds
tacc421 has 15 seconds left to act
tacc421 folds
*** TURN *** [Qs 5s 5h] [Qh]
Bocephys bets 625, and is all in

Is it right to call here or is it likely he has the queen?? results in white below

<font color="white">Bartman387 calls 625
Bocephys shows [8d Qc]
Bartman387 shows [4s 5c]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 5s 5h Qh] [Ks]
Bocephys shows a full house, Queens full of Fives
Bartman387 shows a full house, Fives full of Queens
Bocephys wins the pot (2,620) with a full house, Queens full of Fives</font>

[axeshigh]

Unless you are one of those people who like folding after calling away half their stacks, pushing the flop is much better.

[me1tdown]

He puts half his chips in on the flop which, if not marries him to the pot at least you can say they're engaged -- and really what more could you ask for at this point in the hand. I don't know how I wouldn't lose all my chips here -- even after I peeked at the results!

[lastchance]

Push the flop. And it's not close.

[45suited]

When you check / call the bet of 500 on the flop, everyone knows you have a 5 anyway. Just push the flop and hope that the spade draws, Qs, or higher pairs will call you. IMO, flat calling the flop accomplishes nothing here anyway. There was enough in the pot on the flop. You should've C/R all in and hoped that someone chased while you were still way ahead.

[Bartman387]

yeah after thinking on it, I guess trip 5's isn't a monster you want to slow play, just get in and get out as quick as possible.

thanks for the advise guys

[45suited]

Nice attempt at sarcasm. Slow playing sucks. You really think flat calling the raise to 500 (from the blinds no less) doesn't just scream "trips"? Me, I'll go all-in and hope the draws chase. There was plenty in that pot and you should've taken it.

You, go ahead an keep slow playing then... see how it works out for ya.

Edit: after re-reading your post, maybe you weren't being sarcastic after all. My apologies. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[Bartman387]

no I wasn't being sarcastic, the flat call I made was a bad slow play attempt on my part.

[45suited]

again, my apologies... it's late.

and i'm an idiot sometimes. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[tigerite]

I agree with the consensus of pushing the flop. However last night I had J9o from the BB and it came K T Q, turn T river T (yeah, I bet every street), then checked and called an average bet on the river, thought it would be a crying call, but he had a busted flush draw. So it doesn't always follow.