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Newt_Buggs · #1 07-16-2005, 03:21 PM

$109, no reads
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

Hero (t1105)
BB (t925)
UTG (t1965)
UTG+1 (t1595)
MP1 (t1615)
MP2 (t960)
CO (t925)
Button (t910)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP2 calls t30, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t75, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t75, Hero raises to t150, BB folds, MP2 calls t75.

Turn: (t495) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t200, MP2 calls t200.

River: (t895) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t300, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1195

curtains · #2 07-16-2005, 03:36 PM

I check fold here after a bet and a call, but thats just me.

durron597 · #3 07-16-2005, 03:47 PM

Lead flop fold to raise. Check fold turn. Blocking bet river if turn gets checked through.

bluewilde · #4 07-16-2005, 04:06 PM

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Lead flop fold to raise. Check fold turn. Blocking bet river if turn gets checked through.

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Yeah, I like this best. There's a chance your hand is best, but it's not great in general, so show some strength and back down if people push back. And I also think a fold is in order facing a bet and a call, even though it becomes clear BB has nothing much.

Wondering, however, if you check raise, would more than just doubling BB's bet be good. Usually I like checkraising when I think my hand is best to 1) get more money in the pot and 2) really force my opponent to define his hand. Here your opponents call 75 into a 345 chip pot and haven't figured out whether or not your ace is better than his ace (or if you're up against a set, two pair or other shenanigans). So if I'm checkraising I'm raising about the size of the pot after the original bet, about 200.

Good thought/bad thought/pointless thought?

Newt_Buggs · #5 07-16-2005, 04:45 PM

I only checkraised the minimum becaues my hand did kind of suck against a bet and a call and I didn't want to commit. I agree that folding pf would have been better.

I'm not sure if leading out is better than check raising though. If I lead out I'm either going to take the pot down, get called by a better hand, or get called by a draw. If it is a draw, there's a good chance that I will get semibluffed on the turn when I show so much weakness by checking, or I will give him an extra free card. You also suggest betting out because it shows strength, but I think that checkraising shows much more strength. checking first to act also gives the BB a chance to bet a weaker hand and MP2 a chance to make a position bet (this is a good spot for him to make a position bet). Checkraising lets me get more money in when I'm ahead, and be more confident about it when I'm beat. Giving a free card doesn't hurt me too much either.