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07-14-2005, 02:45 PM
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breaking the 10x bb rule
sorry, bisonbison not working. this is a 33.
limper is loose and passive pre-flop, meaning that if i push, i would not be surprised to get called by a wide range, including JT, A7, TT, etc. the short SB has been tight. BB is not too aggro, so i don't expect to push to pick up limps w/o a strong hand. i've been getting in this whole thing of not busting myself on the bubble, so i didn't want to push even though i'm sure it'd be very +chipEV. but i thought my hand was too good to muck. so how's this line? what if i had AK? 200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) Seat 8 is the button Total number of players : 4 Seat 6: AlBonia (3175) Seat 8: hero (1120) Seat 9: Krogoth (560) Seat 10: eyesee (3145) Krogoth posts small blind (100) eyesee posts big blind (200) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to hero [ Qh, Ad ] AlBonia calls (200) hero calls (200) Krogoth folds. eyesee checks. ** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, Ks, 3s ] eyesee checks. AlBonia bets (300) hero folds. eyesee folds. ** Summary ** Main Pot: 1000 Board: [ Qs Ks 3s ] AlBonia balance 3675, bet 500, collected 1000, net +500 hero balance 920, lost 200 (folded) Krogoth balance 460, lost 100 (folded) eyesee balance 2945, lost 200 (folded) 
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#4
07-14-2005, 02:51 PM
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Re: breaking the 10x bb rule
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With your read on the player, I would push preflop. I would probably push on this flop also, if he habitually tried to pick up the pot in this manner. [/ QUOTE ] he was pretty loose-passive post flop also, so i was pretty happy folding.
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#7
07-14-2005, 02:53 PM
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Re: breaking the 10x bb rule
I hate the 10BB rule. Its so wrong in most situations that i barely see when its right.
And youve tried mixing it up, good. You limped AQ, bad. Push here, AK i fold preflop, dont want to be too ABC in my play [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Phill
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#8
07-14-2005, 02:55 PM
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Re: breaking the 10x bb rule
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[ QUOTE ] Wow. Push or fold PF, you know this. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] ok. which one? [/ QUOTE ] Push. Shorty isn't short enough, and you're not deep enough. Don't let a rough ITM patch cause you to play sub-optimally.
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#9
07-14-2005, 02:57 PM
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Re: breaking the 10x bb rule
I think if you're not going to push preflop, you really need to be willing to get it in here once you flop the Q. I think he's probably betting with a worse Q or a junky pair at least as often as he is betting with a K.
Pushing PF is probably still the way to go here, even with the shortstack. Even if you're getting called by a somewhat broad range, I think you'll still fold him often enough and do well enough against that range that it's +$EV, but I'm just guessing. By contrast, if the limper had pushed instead, then folding becomes pretty clearly correct, I think.
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#10
07-14-2005, 03:00 PM
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Re: breaking the 10x bb rule
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Wow. Push or fold PF, you know this. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] ok. which one? [/ QUOTE ] Push. Shorty isn't short enough, and you're not deep enough. Don't let a rough ITM patch cause you to play sub-optimally. [/ QUOTE ] it's less of a rough ITM patch and more of a growing belief that i'm way to willing to go broke in 4th. this was largely caused by a thread ~ a week ago where i thought it would be horrible to fold AQ in the BB on the bubble with a shortie still alive, but a lot of smart people weighed in with legit arguments for folding. i'd link to it, but i'm kinda lazy [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] maybe i'll just sack up and get powertools so i run the numbers instead of stumbling around blindly.
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