Ethics of Datamining

[microbet]

When I mention banned, I just mean whether you think it should be, not whether it is technically feasible.

Also, I did sort of post this in the prophecy thread, but it looks like that one is dead. Am I in trouble for reposting, Citanul?

[45suited]

Can you more specifically define "games observed"? Do you mean games that you actually sat and watched, because I think that sometimes this term gets stretched a bit.

[The Yugoslavian]

I don't see how any of this is unethical. It is the sort of thing that either is or isn't allowed and then is or isn't done. What would perhaps be unethical is if one somehow could generate HHs with complete/perfect information in some way and then datamine that. All the hands shown are public knowledge and available online or in a card room. It seems fine that people can gather (or ignore) such data any way they wish.

However, a slightly more interesting question is who here feels datamining should be against the T&C rules (I'm assuming that the posters here benefit from datamining since we're most likely to be the ones doing it).

Yugoslav

[microbet]

Since you really don't observe many hands by actually watching them, let's assume it is the kind where you start some games up and then do something else while they play.

[microbet]

Just as long as we're not debating the difference between morality and ethics with a philosophy grad.

I'm really more interested in whether people think it is right/wrong, fair/unfair, however you put it, rather than a calculated decision about whether it is +$EV for them or the industry or whatever.

[trdi]

I'm more interested who was the guy who chose "Burn in hell" as his/her answer to second question. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[microbet]

Something wrong with that.

No one said burn in hell to the 3rd question. (yet)

[45suited]

I don't have a problem with datamining from games that you have actually played in or observed.

I do have a problem with commercial datamining. I don't want online poker (if it already hasn't) to turn into a case of who has the nicest toys.

I don't use any of that stuff that gives me stats on other players for several reasons:

1) Even though they're legal, I kind of "know" that they're unethical.

2) I don't need them to beat the 11s, 22s, and low level ring games.

3) I don't want to become dependent upon software that I obviously won't have at my disposal when I play live games.

But my general attitude is more "meh" than "burn in hell".

[Maulik]

Commercial trafficing in data
do not tap on the aquarium kind of thing.

[tminus]

i voted burn in hell for commercial sharing
yet i used prophecy until i realized how foolish it was