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Old 07-05-2005, 11:33 PM
mimih mimih is offline
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Default JJ hand - when the board pairs

In a situation like this, should i call the turn bet?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (7.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB
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Old 07-05-2005, 11:40 PM
drdre2001mm drdre2001mm is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand - when the board pairs

In this situation you should raise the turn bet and lead the river.
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Old 07-05-2005, 11:46 PM
awval999 awval999 is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand - when the board pairs

Personally I disagree:

The donkbet could be a trip two or a queen. Either one of those beats our jacks up. Against a TAG or an otherwise good player I might raise, but against a 60% VSIP or something like that I would probably follow the OP's line.
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Old 07-05-2005, 11:51 PM
drdre2001mm drdre2001mm is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand - when the board pairs

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Personally I disagree:

The donkbet could be a trip two or a queen. Either one of those beats our jacks up. Against a TAG or an otherwise good player I might raise, but against a 60% VSIP or something like that I would probably follow the OP's line.

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I personally feel that a raise and fold to a 3bet is a better line to follow although you do bring up a valid point.
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Old 07-05-2005, 11:54 PM
Baseballer02 Baseballer02 is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand - when the board pairs

Do you honestly think that the 2 on the turn improved someone's hand? There's no reason not to raise on any part of that hand, IMO, as I believe MP2 is only trying to bluff the 2..
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Old 07-06-2005, 12:22 AM
McGahee McGahee is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand - when the board pairs

It is usually just a donkbet trying to push you off overs, but as he said it's often a Q which still beats us. However, it's usually a weak Q that doesn't have enough confidence to C/R. I do like the raise/fold to 3-bet line because he'll be too afraid of AA/KK or a Q with a better kicker to 3-bet; and there's also a chance he'll have a 7 or a flush draw. Additionally we wouldn't mind taking down the pot on the turn since the 2 villian's collectively could have 6 outs on us with any A or K; and with a flush draw out we'd like to charge that as well.
If they call you check behind on the river though when you don't river your boat.
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