What is more important in a fight, 100+lbs of weight or skill?

kurosh · #1 06-30-2005, 04:47 AM

I'm having an argument with someone and it's really pissing me off. They claim a 100lb 15 year old boy could kill a 300lb 6'7" muscular man, if the boy has been trained extensively in martial arts and the man has not. They also said some bs about seeing a 60 year old 100lb woman doing the same thing. Can anyone knowledgeable about this chime in? I wrestled for a while and there even 5lbs made a huge difference. I don't care if it's a little Bruce Lee, 200lbs of strength and speed is too much to make up.

Vince Young · #2 06-30-2005, 04:49 AM

The boy would have to be pretty damn skilled.

Jeff W · #3 06-30-2005, 05:00 AM

Royce Gracie def. Kimo Leopoldo by Submission (Armlock) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994

Royce Gracie def. Dan Severn Submission (Triangle Choke) UFC 4-Revenge of the Warriors 12/16/1994

Name Kimo Leopoldo
Height 6'3 (190cm)
Weight 235lbs (107kg)

Name Dan Severn
Height 6'2 (188cm)
Weight 250lbs (113kg)

Name Royce Gracie
Height 6'0 (183cm)
Weight 176lbs (80kg)

Weight difference isn't quit 100 lbs in these cases, but then again both of Royce's opponents were trained fighters and not random men off the street. Royce Gracie could certainly beat any untrained fighter no matter how much bigger he is and Royce isn't even the best MMA fighter of all time.

Could a 15 yo boy beat a 300 lb man? Yes, if he is as skilled as Royce.

Edit: Results are from Sherdog.com

kurosh · #4 06-30-2005, 05:00 AM

This is what I think would happen:

The Goober · #5 06-30-2005, 05:06 AM

I think the boy could win if he was trained very specifically how to win this particular kind of fight. If he was quick enough to get in a really good nut punch or hit him just right in the throat, then I think he could effectively incapacitate the man.

I agree with you in general, though. I think at some point most of the smaller fighter's attacks become nearly worthless.

oreogod · #6 06-30-2005, 05:08 AM

So you disagree if the boy, had say, the skill of Bruce Lee. He still couldnt take the 300 lb man down?

Even if the 300 lb man grabs you, there are so many things a Bruce Lee skilled boy can do.

Most 300lb men are not speedy. And mostly its bulk, not muscle. And while they may have been high school wrestlers...its usually no longer true of them later in life.

oreogod · #7 06-30-2005, 05:11 AM

If you're skilled enough, u can take down a [censored] samoan.

And most 15 years olds are 130-150lbs.

Eurotrash · #8 06-30-2005, 05:21 AM

I added a few changes to fully capture the power of the skinny 15 year old

edit: MS Paint is a lot of fun. there should be a thread created dedicated to stupid MS Paint images.

The Goober · #9 06-30-2005, 05:26 AM

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So you disagree if the boy, had say, the skill of Bruce Lee. He still couldnt take the 300 lb man down?

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No, I'm with you here. I would think that Bruce Lee was so highly trained that he knew how to throw a mean nut punch.

oreogod · #10 06-30-2005, 05:30 AM

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So you disagree if the boy, had say, the skill of Bruce Lee. He still couldnt take the 300 lb man down?

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No, I'm with you here. I would think that Bruce Lee was so highly trained that he knew how to throw a mean nut punch.

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You here about that story where some guy came into his backyard while BL was with his son and wanted to fight him?

He axe kicked the guy, with his heel smashing down on the guys chest...cracked the guys rib cage right open. Im pretty sure its true. Never bothered to look it up though.