hmm, bubble utg hand.. thoughts?

[raptor517]

in case anyone didnt notice, im trying to bring the forum back together. as of late, it has been going down hill in terms of useful information. soo.. ive been posting a lot of hands that COULD cause some controversy and spark some intelligent banter. anyways, heres another one..

***** Hand History for Game 2278529698 *****
NL Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:13487807 Level:8 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, June 28, 19:43:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 11249 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: Lip_Balm ( $1475 )
Seat 4: LKM1196 ( $1790 )
Seat 5: Patzienten ( $1730 )
Seat 10: danxxx1 ( $5005 )
Trny:13487807 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Lip_Balm [ Qs 5h ]
Lip_Balm ??

holla

[Freudian]

Fold. Crap hand. Big stack in BB. Both alternatives suck of course.

[kyro]

I agree. If I had a chance to play more, I'd post more hands. But this forum is turning into OOT. Honestly, I know there are people that think Skipperbob is hilarious, but this isn't his personal playground. Same with the useless no content posts that have been popping up in record numbers lately. (I was guilty of one about a week ago so I'll try to atone for that...)

As for your hand. Big stack is BB. I think he calls this more than you want. I fold this.

[lastchance]

Reads matter, as always.

You've got 4x BB, which sucks. You're UTG, with Q5o. That sucks as well. A bunch of other people are short-stacked, which is bad...

I think big stack has a wide calling range, I think you can't push a Q5o here.

[Daliman]

Easy fold. Even IF neither of the other 2 players wake up with a hand, the big stack in the BB is getting 1075 for 2075 on his call. Helps to have a hand in those situations, and Q5o isn't a hand.

[THATWACOKID]

Ok, I'll admit it ... I chose push. But I think it depends on whether or not BB wants the bubble to continue. I also think the other stacks would have to have a pretty good hand to call you here. BTW, I suck at poker so feel free to laugh at me.

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BB is getting 1075 for 2075 on his call

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This probably outweighs the advantage of keeping the bubble going.

[Daliman]

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Ok, I'll admit it ... I chose push. But I think it depends on whether or not BB wants the bubble to continue. I also think the other stacks would have to have a pretty good hand to call you here. BTW, I suck at poker so feel free to laugh at me.

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BB is getting 1075 for 2075 on his call

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This probably outweighs the advantage of keeping the bubble going.

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AGreed. The bubble press not that strong here.

[sapster]

Folding here is criminal, shove it baby!.

[Matt R.]

I voted push. You're knocked down to 875 in chips after the blinds pass, assuming it's not folded to you -- i.e. you're screwed. I doubt the two medium stacks will call without a very solid hand, so you'll probably get it heads up with the BB, and Q5o is a slight favorite vs. a random hand. Plus, even though BB is getting great odds, I would think he will have at least some calling standards as 1475 (err... I guess it would just be 1075, but it's still a good portion) is a healthy chunk of his stack. I'm actually surprised so many people voted fold -- I'd like to hear some arguments for why my reasoning is wrong. I suck, so have at it.

[sapster]

Matt R your post is deadon in my view.