TT big enough overpair to back with all your chips?

Steve · #1 06-19-2005, 11:52 PM

Any comments? Thanks for any help. This was $20+$2. Later I'll post results + my current thoughts. Obviously, I lost or I wouldn't be posting it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t970)
MP2 (t710)
MP3 (t960)
CO (t665)
Hero (t755)
SB (t785)
BB (t770)
UTG (t960)
UTG+1 (t625)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, 4 folds, MP3 calls t15, CO calls t15, Hero raises to t65, 2 folds, UTG calls t50, MP3 calls t50, CO folds.

Flop: (t230) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets t100, MP3 raises to t200, Hero is all in, UTG folds, MP3 calls t490.

Turn: (t1710) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t1710) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t1710

Steve · #2 06-20-2005, 10:06 PM

Well, I'll give the results. The caller had 44 and flopped a set. Should I have

Raised more PF?
Not raised at all PF and played it for set value?
Folded on the flop?

calf · #3 06-20-2005, 10:17 PM

At level 1 and 2 I just prefer playing for set value. At $10's and $20's it's often too hard to limit the field especially after a few limpers and you get put in tough spots where you lose a large chunk of your stack. As for the flop in this hand I think you should probably find a fold. The minraise signals a lot of strength especially since he doesn't seem to care that the PFR is still yet to act. He could still have 77-99 but I don't think this one is worth backing with your stack.

I'm semi weak-tight but at levels 1 and 2 all pairs JJ and lower I play passively pre- and post-flop if I don't hit a set. You get put in too many marginal spots and I don't think you have to push small edges early on against opponents at the 10's and 20's that make it a cakewalk to exploit them later on with a huge edge.

PapiChulo503 · #4 06-20-2005, 10:21 PM

Preflop- your looking OK. I like the raise, after that I think I would have played it a bit differently.

This looks like its still level 1. Way too early in my opinion to be making this kind of move. Why not wait and let your opponents make mistakes, theres better spots.

Flop- You usually want to have a better hand to call with than to come out betting with. While TT are good they arent that good. I would use my position here and recognize that maybe my tens are no good. UTG says he's got some of this and MP3 is telling him that hes got something even better.

With this flop what could UTG's range be?
AA-66
AK-Aj
KQ,KJ

Considering the texture of the flop what do you put the re-raisers range of hands on?

AA-66
AK-AQ(suited)
AK
KQ(suited)

Im thinking your up against UTG's Ax and mp3's solid hand. Even if MP3 does not have a higher pocket pair than you chances are that he holds overcards and could still draw out on you. I dont think its worth it yet.

lastchance · #5 06-20-2005, 10:22 PM

If you raise preflop (which I certainly don't), you've got to push this hand on the flop.

BTW, don't raise preflop. TT just isn't that good, you're not going to get enough folds here. It's L1, just limp along.