Should I have raised? #2

[Blarg]

10 + 1 table, no particular reads. I get my ass kicked regularly with these hands, even when I am facing no draws, but can't help but feel two things: First, I probably have the best hand so I should try to get some money. Second, if there is a draw, or anyone has a big pair, my hand is vulnerable enough that I want to bet big, while my hand might still have some power, because it could lose it real soon.

Does anybody have any feedback about this hand? Or this type of hand(flopped two bottom pair)?

***** Hand History for Game 2220514394 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13170881 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Friday, June 17, 11:49:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 35131 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: SeToverSeTAA ( $703 )
Seat 2: stiphout ( $770 )
Seat 4: jhdubya ( $885 )
Seat 5: ParaStar ( $955 )
Seat 6: jfsma57 ( $730 )
Seat 8: InvestWEs ( $557 )
Seat 10: DannyBoy731 ( $700 )
Seat 3: letz_play ( $1030 )
Seat 9: Hero ( $1670 )
Trny:13170881 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8h Ts ]
DannyBoy731 folds.
SeToverSeTAA folds.
stiphout folds.
letz_play calls [30].
jhdubya folds.
ParaStar folds.
jfsma57 folds.
InvestWEs calls [15].
Hero checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 8d, Td ]
InvestWEs bets [30].
Hero is all-In [1640]
letz_play is all-In [1000]
InvestWEs folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
Hero shows [ 8h, Ts ] two pairs, tens and eights.
letz_play shows [ Js, 9s ] a straight, eight to queen.
Hero wins 640 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, tens and eights.
letz_play wins 2120 chips from the main pot with a straight, eight to queen.

[kyro]

Tough hand to play. I play it a little slower, but I'm probably losing my stack regardless....ESPECIALLY at the $11

[mlagoo]

Ok, I mean...

I feel like I'm missing something because you have 4900 posts and should know this.

But... betting big to push out draws is one thing. Betting 1600 chips into a 100 chip pot is something completely different, isn't it?

I'm not saying you don't go broke on this hand... you both flopped monsters. I'm just saying... what the hell is with that flop bet?

[RobGW]

Bottom 2 pair on a flop like this is not a monster. Thinking of this as a monster is probably why you both are going broke on these types of hands. And betting 1600 chips into a 100 pot is horrible.

[microbet]

Slider man, slider man ....

[adanthar]

[ QUOTE ]
letz_play calls [30].
InvestWEs calls [15].
Hero checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 8d, Td ]
InvestWEs bets [30].
Hero is all-In [1640]

[/ QUOTE ]

There are no words.

[Sabrazack]

I think you slightly overpet this pot on the flop, definately play it slower next time. But at the elevens, im goin broke with two pair unless there is ALOT of action from others.

[adanthar]

Wait, I just found some words. "Captain, POSTFLOP PLAY ALERT, RUN FOR THE HILLS"

[wiggs73]

[ QUOTE ]
First, I probably have the best hand so I should try to get some money. Second, if there is a draw, or anyone has a big pair, my hand is vulnerable enough that I want to bet big, while my hand might still have some power, because it could lose it real soon.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can accomplish both these goals with a MUCH smaller raise.

[mlagoo]

[ QUOTE ]
Bottom 2 pair on a flop like this is not a monster. Thinking of this as a monster is probably why you both are going broke on these types of hands. And betting 1600 chips into a 100 pot is horrible.

[/ QUOTE ]

It really is a pretty huge flop in an unraised flop where an MP and SB limped in. If you are not going broke on flops like this (well, ultimately, a lot of cards could come on the turn that would scare me after my reasonably sized flop bet), then you have, whats it called, "monsters-under-the-bed" disease. If you are seeing QT or J9 in your opponents hands, you are playing far too tight IMO.