Call this river?

xorbie · #1 06-04-2005, 05:40 AM

Excellent 100NL table, two deep stacked donks. One of them is villain in this hand (SB).

Here is the hand he doubled up (his first orbit, I think):

EP raises with AK, villain calls with ATs. Flop comes Axx rainbow, EP bets 2/3 pot, villain pushes all in (full buy in), EP calls, turn comes a T.

Here's another hand he was in, which he played pretty poorly. The other donk at the table raises UTG, UTG+1 calls, villain calls in MP with J8s. Flop comes JQQ. UTG bets pot, UTG+1 calls, villain calls. Turn is brick, checked around. River is brick, UTG bets the same as his flop bet (so 1/4 pot), UTG+1 calls, villain calls.

So I've seen him play flopped trips very passively, but TPGK very agressive. Since then I haven't noticed anything quite as idiotic from him, or maybe I've just missed it. Perhaps his deep stack has slowed him down.

So on to the hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) converter

MP2 ($99.65)
MP3 ($517.5)
CO ($248.5)
Button ($100)
SB ($447.55)
Hero ($140.65)
UTG ($122.4)
UTG+1 ($108.6)
MP1 ($48)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
3 folds, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($4) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: ($4) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $9, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB calls $6.

River: ($22) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, SB raises to $125, Hero...?

Caballa · #2 06-04-2005, 06:03 AM

Voted "dear god no".

Fold. Do you really think he'd put you all in with one pair (which is all you're realistically beating) after being reraised two streets in a row in an unraised pot?

xorbie · #3 06-04-2005, 06:09 AM

Who says I only beat one pair? I beat a couple two pair hands as well.

gulebjorn · #4 06-04-2005, 06:40 AM

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villain calls in MP with J8s. Flop comes JQQ.

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So I've seen him play flopped trips very passively,

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???

xorbie · #5 06-04-2005, 06:42 AM

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villain calls in MP with J8s. Flop comes JQQ.

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So I've seen him play flopped trips very passively,

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Ugh. That should read flop came JJQ.

gulebjorn · #6 06-04-2005, 06:51 AM

My guess is KT or QJ.

My advice would be to fold.

Since i read HoH, I'm no longer giving advice based on my guess, so i'll explain:
if i'm counting right, pot is 22+5+15+125 = 167$
You have to call 110$ to see a showdown.

You are afraid of:
K9 K4 K3 KT T9 T4
TT KK 99 44 33
QJ

The way the hand was played out, and giving your description of villain, even KK is hard to rule out if he wants to try some weird slowplay.

You are beating (given the push):
93 94 43 Kx

Do you see any of these pushing after a reraise on the river?

You're not even getting 1.5-to-1 odds, so i think this is a very easy fold.

Sephus · #7 06-04-2005, 07:12 AM

hell no. this is so far from a call.

jsnipes28 · #8 06-04-2005, 10:14 AM

I think after everyone checking the flop it would be very easy for villain to have picked up an open ended with QJ on the turn and tried to take the pot down. After he called your raise on the turn youve got to give him credit for a god hand or a decent draw. SO on the river when heccontinues to bet out, it might not have been a bad idea to just call him down rather that give him the chance to put you at a very difficult decision.

xorbie · #9 06-04-2005, 01:13 PM

I agree with everyone. Sighed, folded.

For the record, I can only see him having QJ here.

BZ_Zorro · #10 06-04-2005, 01:29 PM

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Excellent 100NL table, two deep stacked donks

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Easy there cowboy.

I was wondering what you had that hand. Good fold.