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#1
06-01-2005, 04:26 PM
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pushing a busted draw
Level 1 (pokerroom) I have 1,600 chips, after winning a pot uncontested on the flop It checked to me on the button, I bet big and everyone folded.
2 hands later, I get A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] with a bunch of limpers. I know this isn't a great hand, but the table has been very loose but passive, so I figure it can't hurt to see a cheap flop with it in decent position. I'm prepared to lay it down if I hit my ace and there is a lot of action. 6 players see the flop, which is K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. An EP player with 1500 chips bets the pot (120 chips), a MP player calls, and I call. The turn is another 4, EP bets 120 again, and we both call. The river is a J. EP bets 250, MP folds. I put EP on a weak King, and wonder if he would lay it down if I pushed. I say what the hell, and throw down my stack. He calls with K9o. He had what I thought he did, but I was wrong in thinking I could get him to lay it down. Is this always a bad play, or are there situations where I should try a bluff-raise on the river with a busted draw? 
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#3
06-01-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: pushing a busted draw
It was a $10+1. What is the lowest level you think this play would be profitable?
The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that it is probably never profitable, since low-limit players won't make the lay-down, and high limit players won't be in there with crap to begin with, and won't give you a good enough price to draw to your flush anyway. But if anyone thinks it is sometimes a good play, I would be interested to know the circumstances under which it works.
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#4
06-01-2005, 04:48 PM
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Re: pushing a busted draw
You skipped on your best push opportunity, fake the 4 on the turn. I don't like pushing anywhere in this hand though.
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#5
06-01-2005, 05:02 PM
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Re: pushing a busted draw
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You skipped on your best push opportunity, fake the 4 on the turn. I don't like pushing anywhere in this hand though. [/ QUOTE ] Why is it better to fake the 4 on the turn? If I had it, isn't it just as believable that I smooth-called the turn and waited till the river to push? Also, doesn't the river help me, since now he has to worry about KJ as well as the 4?
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#6
06-01-2005, 05:13 PM
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Re: pushing a busted draw
KJ he would have lost to you before the river so he already has to worry about it. You were playing a party 10, which means that by the river, your opponent already forgot about the turn. You have to think like a retard to beat a retard [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Make it OBVIOUS what you're pretending to have at that level if you want any hope for a laydown.
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#7
06-01-2005, 05:26 PM
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Re: pushing a busted draw
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It was a $10+1. What is the lowest level you think this play would be profitable? The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that it is probably never profitable, since low-limit players won't make the lay-down, and high limit players won't be in there with crap to begin with, and won't give you a good enough price to draw to your flush anyway. But if anyone thinks it is sometimes a good play, I would be interested to know the circumstances under which it works. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe 20+2... But more likely 30+3 I'd think... But it all depends on the player.
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